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RayB:

--- Quote from: Rick on December 16, 2010, 01:06:59 pm ---A link to this has been posted on Reddit.

Edited for better link.

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Front page. Well done.
Vigo:

--- Quote from: Haze on December 16, 2010, 05:11:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: RayB on December 16, 2010, 05:06:04 pm ---Haze, the key to getting things done and not getting demotivated by the great unwashed masses (wait, what? unwashed? How about uninformed and impatient masses) is to stay off the forums.  Don't read the nonsense. People can be vocal but they don't always represent reality.


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That kinda goes against my principals of keeping people informed about the project and goings on (which in turn, can help get them involved)

It's the only angle on which I can agree that MameDev sometimes seem elitist, like they feel they don't have to talk to people, explain things, or help people understand what's really going on.  I try my best to make sure that isn't the case, and that (as long as people don't ask the same question over and over, expecting the answer to change) good, informative answers are given, that help people understand how things work.

Right now the only 'official' way to contact MAMEdev is through a simple form on the homepage, you have no real knowledge of who is going to read what you've said, when they're going to read it, or if it's even the right type of thing to post.  Likewise even if you do get a reply, nobody else benefits from it.  Public discussion is there for anybody else to read, and learn from, which can be both interesting, and benefit the project as a whole.

I find the current system to be very cold, and almost makes the team seem unapproachable, and distant.  When you're trying to find new contributors, that isn't always beneficial.

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Hey, your approach is appreciated, you are absolutely right that the team can seem very distant. It's good to see that you are making way to change that!  :cheers:

I think Ray is just hitting on that you are probably taking a few comments pretty seriously and that can be disheartening for you when you are putting in a lot of work. We are not really trollers or MAME abusers on this board. It's just a little "shop talk" and we unapologetically say what we want around here. If it so happens that there are complaints or joke about MAME, thats how it goes. Its probably just a sign that you are right about better communication being needed.
saint:
"The whines of the few do not outweigh the accolades of the many, or the one" or something along those lines :)

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: saint on December 16, 2010, 08:03:35 pm ---"The whines of the few do not outweigh the accolades of the many, or the one" or something along those lines :)

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 :stupid

And DillonFoulds is a troll and should get offa my lawn!  :bat
pinballwizard79:

--- Quote from: Haze on December 16, 2010, 09:44:26 am ---
--- Quote from: shateredsoul on December 16, 2010, 01:00:43 am ---I'm interested in hearing more about mame dev and what games are getting worked, not about accusations about who thinks which generation of gamers want etc.  Everyone has their interests, if someone gets involved in mame and loves 90s games and that's all they work on that's fine by me.. it's their time and choice.

Anywho, so who's going to volunteer to be on the mame team?  ::)

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Yeah, my point was just that if people are going to go around saying 'MAME is done because 2 games are emulated, nothing else matters' then it's not really greatly encouraging, or an accurate reflection of how things are, and the sheer amount of work that DOES need doing.  There are still major platform drivers in need of a complete overhaul, the amount of bugs in the Taito F3 and Konami GX implementations show this, and in both of those cases an entire audio DSP is unemulated, so they don't even sound that close to the original.  Nobody (to my knowledge) is working on any of that despite them being major platforms with important games.  Even somebody who isn't a perfectionist can tell you they have a long way to go.  To say MAME is done, or even to say the important games work perfectly, is far from the truth.  There is room all over the project for somebody to come in and make big improvements.

I see X2 has come to troll as well, rather than actually taking this in and seeing exactly why it means nobody is going to make the changes he wants.

between them pinballjim and X2 really do make this a hostile and unwelcoming place to post.

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PBJ is an alright guy dude

X2.... is getting better

PW79 however is awesome  ;D

Anyway more games would be good, if I knew how to program I would help.
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