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the state of mame
Malenko:
--- Quote from: abaraba on January 08, 2011, 01:24:23 am ---Preserving a game PCB directly implies emulator machine should be adequate substitute for the real PCB and so compatible with the rest of its cabinet, just like restoring/re-making (preserving) an engine of some old car is a failure if at the end it does not fit with the rest of the car.
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They are not mutually inclusive. Preserving the game PCB means its documented how it works so it can be fixed/replaced/remade. Think of MAME as a blue print for the engine, not the engine itself. Its been said many times and in many ways, the ability to play the games is just a great byproduct.
If you really want to use the engine example; say MAME is the engine and it fits and everything. But the controls are the ignition wires, yeah the engine works great but the engine builder doesnt have anything to do with making the ignition wires or spark plugs.Still such a terrible example.
ark_ader:
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Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---Let's examine this further.... What if someone designed some classic controllers, put a lot of money, time and effort into making them just perfect to be put on their cabinets where they fit perfectly, and overall made a classic setup only to find a horrendous website where some PUNK KID built some bastardized, gaudy, f'tard of a contraption that allowed for all of these specialty controllers to be built into wood, that supposedly spun around so the end use (the same punk kid, of course) could try and play these games? How exactly would you feel? Who's the dumbass now?
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Firstly, SAINT, Id like to say that its quite depressing that I have to deal with such language as ftard, and dumbass in the above quote (I also tire of seeing Asshat ).. yet the smallest hint of an insult without any foul language that got aimed at Haze by another member, was scolded.
As a result, Im hugely tempted to blast back twice as bad at the poster(s).. if not take it to a physical level. I should not be put in that position.
While my viewpoints are harsh and strong at times, I try very hard not to be foul.
Most Foul replies from me usually come After several have been slung my way.
--- Quote ---It's ALL perspective now, isn't it?
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As for your Pathetic example, its... well, its something only an 8 yr old would think made logical sense.
Quite simply, if the Developers who created Starwars had their choice on coming over to play it on my fugly WillyWonka Prototype, or on a Beautiful clean-cut cabinet with NO starwars yoke... the choice would Obviously, that even though the pretty cab looks nice... their game will Not play correctly as they designed it to play... and so wont enjoy the experience at all.
While the Proto was not pretty, it did exactly as it was designed to do. To allow a person to experience these treasures of the past as Accurately as possible, using the Correct controllers.
While sideart and cabinet shapes are cool additions... they are mostly decorative. Where as PCB, Controls, Force Feedback, and Speakers, are all ESSENTIALS for making the game operate as was designed. Any deviations from this, and you are Not representing the game correctly... and will easily Piss off any Game Developers involved in those games. Where as a simple cabinet shape isnt going to deter them at all.
In fact, most Devs would easily be proud and impressed that someone actually valued their creations to the point of reproducing controllers from scratch just to be able to play them right. Where as people like Yourself (and Haze), who dont Value their creations as they made them, they wouldnt care one bit about your "pretty cab" and your Lacking "Preservation" efforts.
--- Quote ---On the positive side, if it's as easy to code in your switch to make it work, find out the code from when it did work, code the switch in so it works now too, recompile and make it happen, cap'n! If it is really as easy as coding the switch, then do it. It ain't like your launching rockets or anything. It's not finding the cosign of Pluto or whatever. It's just a switch like you said.
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There is no reason the switch cant be plugged into mame in the first place... like every other switch it supports. The Hackjob is BS, and so are the excuses.
Just because you cant drive Nolan Bushnell's car with a manual shifter, does not mean you should have the right to Hack up HIS car to install manual transmission, And then after doing so, tell him and others that IF they want to use a manual shifter, you should RE-install it yourself.
Simply Pathetic.
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---I played 720 again after all these years for five minutes, well four minutes as it took 60 secs to locate the rom and delete it forever. It is the most moronic game Atari ever created next to Kangaroo.
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Well, here we have a perfect example.
You played 720 with mame with WHAT Controller? Ohh yeah, probably an analog joystick. And then based on that poorly playing experience, you decided it was a trash. But, How different would your opinion of the game be with a Real 720 controller? You dont know. Did you ever get good at the game in the arcade? Nope. You dont even remember it.
Im not a huge fan of 720, but I HAVE played it with a real controller (Recently), and it was fun this way. It was very difficult / challenging, and I had a real hard time making it far... But, my brother, and a collector I hang with, are Excellent at the game, and pull off amazing stunts and incredible precision under pressure. Its fun just watching them play it.
Another prime example of improper controls making a Bad impression is Sinistar.
You simply Cant play this game without a 49 way stick or mechanically equivalent stick. Its an Awesome game, but worthless without the real controller. Just as much as Crystal Castles cant be played correctly with a D-Pad either.
To Preserve these games, means to preserve how they play. How the games difficulty is balanced...etc.
Its not hard to understand people like Haze, who dont understand good game design, and make games more like point and click movies rather than challenging experiences. There hasnt been more than a handful of games worthy of buying in like the last +15 years... and its mostly developers like Haze who are to blame for it.
Dexter:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 08, 2011, 04:50:12 pm ---Firstly, SAINT, Id like to say that its quite depressing that I have to deal with such language as ftard, and dumbass in the above quote (I also tire of seeing Asshat ).. yet the smallest hint of an insult without any foul language that got aimed at Haze by another member, was scolded.
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I've always found the best way to avoid people calling me an ftard, dumbass and asshat is to not act like one.
But thats just me.
Nice to see you have as big a problem with how Saint moderates this board you enjoy as you do with how the devs develop their emulator you enjoy,
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 08, 2011, 04:50:12 pm ---As a result, Im hugely tempted to blast back twice as bad at the poster(s).. if not take it to a physical level.
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Physical level? You going to beat up your teddy bear and pretend its a BYOACER cupcake??
Oh, and quick word to Haze. On behalf of the vast majority of people around here who love MAME and appreciate your efforts, please keep up the hard work....as it REALLY seems to piss this guy off :D