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the state of mame
Mikezilla:
This whole thread seems ridiculous to me. Boderline retarded. Whats the point of emulating these games if nobody wants to play them the way they were MEANT to be played. Of course they were enjoyable, thats why someone wanted to preserve them due to advancing technology.
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If nobody used MAME it would be YEARS behind where it is now simply due to lack of feedback.
You got your "feedback" - authentic controls should be supported/emulated as important part of inner workings of authentic hardware, just like authentic resolutions and frame-rates.
This is a minority viewpoint, and is not considered important. Does this need repeating again? This specific feedback has been acknowledged. Your reply is 'we don't care, it's not in the project goals, nor does it help attain them'
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That whole "minority viewpoint" seems completely skewed especially in these forums. I dont know. It just seems with todays technology, whats the point of perseving something if youre not going to use/play it with the controls it was designed to use. You know why people preserve food? Cause they plan on eating it.
saint:
Pardon any typos or oddities, I'm typing this post-suergery on Percoset and I'm pretty loopy but hey, nothing else I can do right now so Internets it is!
MAME is what it is. Agree or disagree with Haze's perspective, it doesn't matter. People who are coding for the project by and large all seem to share the stated goals as Haze has laid them out. Arguing about those goals as to whether they're good or bad, true or blowing smoke, is a bit silly. The end results of the coding that we can all see seems to bear up what Haze says. They haven't implemented support for arcade controls, the GUI is lacking (these aren't complaints, but observations), and a host of other things. If game play vs. game documentation was the real goal, these items would have have been addressed years ago. The fact that they haven't in the core build tells me that Haze's perspective is the actual intended direction MAME-Dev is heading and always has been.
I personally have web mirrors of a ton of stuff from the net, most (but not all) related to this hobby in some fashion. For instance, when Geocities went offline I pulled down as much of the sites hosted there as I could. I don't actually do anything with the majority of these mirrors, I just have them because I think they should be preserved... just in case somewhere down the line someone needs to refer to them. I didn't preserve them because I wanted to use them - I preserved them because I thought they should be preserved. My med-addled brain finds this a parallel to MAME as a documentation project.
My favorite emulator back in the day was Retrosomething.... can't recall at the moment. Maybe Retroblast. Neil was the coder. It had a great front end GUI that I really liked. A lot of the emulation code was shared between it and MAME and I don't know who was the source and who the beneficiary, but I thought that was a good example. MAME the code/documentation repository, Retroblast the unaffiliated emu designed for fun game play vs. preservation.
Wonder if this post will be as insightful to me post-drugs? :)
RayB:
Honestly, I think Saint will nix that last post.
Back to my topic, three reasons developers should not read their own forums:
" 'Forums contain a cacophony of people telling you to do diametrically opposite things, very loudly, often for bad reasons. There will be plenty of good ideas, but picking them out from the bad ones is unreliable and a lot of work. If you try to make too many people happy at once, you will drive yourself mad. You have to be very, very careful who you let into your head.' "
Full article: http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html
Mikezilla:
Damn. Percoset is a helluva drug. :lol
Hoopz:
--- Quote from: Mikezilla on January 06, 2011, 02:08:22 pm ---Damn. Percoset is a helluva drug. :lol
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True. I think Saint may be the first person to draw a comparison between Geocities and Mame. :laugh2: