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| Malenko:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 02, 2011, 06:22:58 pm ---Mame is about Preserving games. They word it as preserving mere circuit boards. But thats a crock, and everyone knows it. To PROPERLY preserve a game, means that game has to be experienced the same way it was DESIGNED TO BE EXPERIENCED!!! This SHOULD include every aspect, from gameplay, PROPER control methods, controller Documentation/Specs, cabinet art, cabinet dimensions, internal artwork, history development notes/stories, and much much more. If these things are NOT being Documented... then you are NOT PRESERVING A GAME. --- End quote --- So mame says they are preserving the circuit boards. You dont think that preserving the circuit boards is enough. You want MAME to do more. MAME doesnt want/have/need to do more. You dont like that. You should start a new project, call XouchePreservation or something, where you could preserve every aspect, from gameplay, PROPER control methods, controller Documentation/Specs, cabinet art, cabinet dimensions, internal artwork, history development notes/stories, and much much more. |
| spoot:
To be honest I think threads like this help push away contributors be it code, scans, bug reports, etc as after coming home from work does one want to deal with even more back and forth bickering when now they aren't getting paid for it? I used to code assembler on mainframes and can appreciate how much work and reverse engineering that must occur on some of these boards. Staring at hex code all day can make one go bonkers. For that I thank the current and past developers for what they have accomplished so far and continue to do. Are some of them d-bags...most likely...just like many of the end-users are d-bags. Human nature baby. :cheers: After Haze's initial webpost I downloaded the source and took a look around to see if it's something I wanted to play around with when not working on my other coding projects. Some of it looked pretty straight forward and some looked to require alot of digging into the code and mechanics to be able to contribute. I wondered if this is sumthing I wish to spend my free time on. Then I read threads like this and go "smurf it....I'm gunna go play xbox". I wonder if there are others that feel the same? :dunno |
| TechDante:
--- Quote from: BobA on January 03, 2011, 08:47:43 pm ---I would like to thank all MAME devs and those who have contributed to the project and those who will contribute to the project in the future. I would have a really boring arcade machine without it. :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: --- End quote --- summs up my feeling exactly. without the hard work of all the developers the thousands of games (good and bad) would have been lost forever to become a distant memory only seen in films and museums. |
| ark_ader:
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| Xiaou2:
Never once did I ever say I didnt appreciate the efforts put into mame. However, that still does not mean I cant be dissatisfied with the bad attitudes and lackings in preservation. It would be just the same if my Discs of Tron scan was made at 30 dpi, stitched crooked, 8 bit color, specs of Dust/Imperfections, light leakage ..etc. Just cause I did it for Free, does not make it good or right... and people can and would have complained... And rightly so. It was a crappy Preservation effort. Just because they dont have the skills, time, money, scanner, and artwork... does not mean they cant be upset. As if they Did, more than likely they would have redone it themselves. Though, its pretty much stupid to Waste efforts on re-doing things... when you COULD do things right in the first place. A lot of devs it seems dont seem to get this concept.. which is one reason why they constantly are re-doing all of their code. (which doesnt help attract new Devs with limited time, who dont want to have to re-learn & re-code everything every 2 months) ( Basically, my point there would be to spend a few days Planning for the future before diving right into coding something in a "Limited" fashion that will surely become obsolete... and or does not take into consideration the entire Scope thats needed for full potentials) Going back to the Classic Car example.... everyone can appreciate that many of these cars are Drivable. Most dont seem to care that there is no "body", or internals..so long as it drives. Other cars simply cant be driven properly, because instead of slapping on a steering wheel & pedals... the supercar has an xbox controller, which would be futile and fatal, to even attempt to drive it... let alone race it at high speeds. Is that car Preserved? The engine runs... but its pretty much worthless, because it simply Cant be driven over 20mph safely. The people who DO try to fool around with the car like that... wont drive fast, and dont care that car is capable of so much more. And so why even bother catering to them grannies? The main target should be the ppl who actually CARE about the Car, and want to Drive it as was intended. Anyone else should have to "Hack" a cheat in there to hotwire some hackjob up. (A better example might be a person changing a Classic Manual 5 speed car to an Automatic. Tragic Butchery) --- Quote ---"just like many of the end-users are d-bags" --- End quote --- Funny, cause Ive met more Punk Elitist Programmers/Techies with Poor attitudes, Anger/Temper Issues, Arrogant, Self Absorbed, etc.. than the typical EndUser/Collector/Gameplayer. Ahh, but generalizations are great arnt they? Generally speaking, Programmers/Techs have poor social skills. (which is why they enjoy talking to a computer for Hours instead of real people) They dont get along too well with others, and many times have no patience for people they feel are beneath them. (people who cant do what they do - but "SHOULD" be able to /sarcasm :P . . . ) But ehh, I dont like to Generalize. I prefer to judge people as Individuals... as everyone Is different, and its simply not fair to place judgments on an entire group of souls... just because of the actions of Some. Finally, If YOU designed a game, spent weeks made a special controller for it... and spent several months balancing the entire gameplay off of it... Then some PUNK KID comes along and Butchers it to bits, hacking the incorrect controller on it.. with No option for the real deal, taking away the surround sound, and the force feedback ...How exactly would YOU Feel ?! Whos the D-Bag in this scenario? That was Your Baby. Not theirs. And they shouldnt have the right to make a poor impression of YOUR game, because they lack they make the poor decision to use the incorrect controller. Its very easy to see things from Your Personal perspective... But that does not mean you are in the right. |
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