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XBOX modders caught. Might be facing Prison time if convicted.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: atomikbohm on December 08, 2010, 12:11:15 pm ---Imagine if you go to the grocery store and buy a bag of potatoes. You get home and make some scalloped potatoes for the block party that evening. The next day you awake to the police breaking down your door, taking all of your kitchen appliances and arresting you for violating the EULA of the potatoes, you were only allowed to make french fries with that kind of engineered potato.
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That analogy would pertain to doing something that is legal, which is not the point. If you can show how that applies to illegally modifying Xboxes feel free to do so.
Look, this is the crux.
The bloggers (and by extension software pirates) try to make it look like this guy was arrested for innocently modding Xboxes. That was not the issue that was chosen by the lawyers. (Made worse by their own denial to using pirated movies and games on their Xboxes.)
If the lawyers have chosen to prosecute this guy for removing a logo or adding a sticker, fine, you'll broker no argument from me. But they didn't and that's the problem that you completely fail to see. A case like this is only about illegally modding Xboxes, it won't expand to other products. Everything from DVD players to automobiles do fall under this sort of "protection". Do you really want to live in a world where it's legal to steal from you through a network component?
Bootay:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on December 08, 2010, 05:46:19 pm ---A case like this is only about illegally modding Xboxes, it won't expand to other products. Everything from DVD players to automobiles do fall under this sort of "protection". Do you really want to live in a world where it's legal to steal from you through a network component?
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This last part confused me. Modding Xboxes has nothing to do with stealing. If we were talking about downloading pirated Xbox games, then fine. But the act of Modding is not stealing. Sure you can steal games and movies after you mod it, but that is not what is being discussed by Atomikbohm. He is talking strictly about the act of modding and nothing more.
Benevolance:
--- Quote ---A case like this would not stop at modding Xboxes, it would expand to other products. Everything from DVD players to automobiles could potentially fall under this sort of "protecton". Do you really want to live in a world where it's illegal to mod your toaster because of the network component?
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Savanah, I think that's the point of this case. Your ability to mod Xboxes was taken away over a decade ago. The DMCA criminalizes the act of bypassing an access control or lock, regardless of whether or not there is infringement. Everything from DVD players to automobiles could potentially already falls under this sort of "protecton".
I'd guess the point of this trial is to get some case law on their side, reaffirming these provisions of the DMCA so that companies can lean on the little guy more. I mean, it's very similar to when Lexmark put that digital chip on their cartridges, to prevent the third-party refills. In order to provide refill the cartridges, companies had to reverse engineer the very simple locking chip, at which point Lexmark sued them under the DMCA. I don't think the lawsuit held up in that instance, and I don't know where this one will go.
And let's be clear here. I completely agree with you that this sort of thing should be protected under fair use. But it isn't in the United States and hasn't been for 12 years. That is why I harass my local MLAs with letters whenever the subject of the Canadian DMCA comes up in parliament. I don't want a similar draconian law in effect in Canada, regardless of how much the US lobby efforts feel it would be a good idea.
SavannahLion:
Thank you. I guess I should use present instead of future tense. :applaud: (And yes. That is a typo. I'm teaching new software and I haven't worked out all the kinks yet.)
I'm sorry for the way you are Dartful.
atomikbohm:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on December 08, 2010, 05:46:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: atomikbohm on December 08, 2010, 12:11:15 pm ---Imagine if you go to the grocery store and buy a bag of potatoes. You get home and make some scalloped potatoes for the block party that evening. The next day you awake to the police breaking down your door, taking all of your kitchen appliances and arresting you for violating the EULA of the potatoes, you were only allowed to make french fries with that kind of engineered potato.
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That analogy would pertain to doing something that is legal, which is not the point. If you can show how that applies to illegally modifying Xboxes feel free to do so.
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--- Quote from: atomikbohm on December 08, 2010, 05:20:49 pm ---Dartful,
Red Yeast Rice is a staple of some Asian diets. (think the Asian equivalent of potatoes) Red Yeast Rice can contain lovastatin. A substance that has an effect on the human body very simular to Statin drugs (patented). Any product that containing lovastatin has banned by the FDA, with the exception of Statin drugs. (i.e. except for a specific use, like french fries).
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/redyeastrice.htm
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