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XBOX modders caught. Might be facing Prison time if convicted.

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atomikbohm:
Man people settle down, go to your happy places for a minute and take a couple of deep breaths. 

Jen, Imagine if you go to the grocery store and buy a bag of potatoes.  You get home and make some scalloped potatoes for the block party that evening.  The next day you awake to the police breaking down your door, taking all of your kitchen appliances and arresting you for violating the EULA of the potatoes, you were only allowed to make french fries with that kind of engineered potato. 

Is this example ridiculous, hell yes it is.  Now for the scary part, with the laws that are currently in force, it's also our reality in the US.   :banghead: 

I last point, before everyone continues to be outraged, what did you do to prevent these types of laws from being passed?  If your not part of the solution YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.   

Dartful Dodger:
atomikbohm, Imagine if you go to the grocery store and buy a bag of potatoes.  You then go to a Best Buy and break the front window with the potatoes and steal CDs and other electronics for the block party that evening.  The next day you awake to the police breaking down your door, taking all of your electronics and arresting you, because you were only allowed to eat that kind of engineered potato.

Is this example ridiculous, hell yes it is.  Now for the scary part it makes as much sense as your example.  :banghead:

How about stepping back from this Xbox situation and look at another field with the same laws.

Companies that engineer seeds to grow bigger and better plants also engineer them so they can't reproduce. This is to allow those companies to control the sale of the seeds and to prevent others from making copies of the seeds.

It's illegal to tamper with these seeds to produce plants that reproduce.

SavannahLion:
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--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on December 08, 2010, 02:27:53 pm ---
How about stepping back from this Xbox situation and look at another field with the same laws.

Companies that engineer seeds to grow bigger and better plants also engineer them so they can't reproduce. This is to allow those companies to control the sale of the seeds and to prevent others from making copies of the seeds.

It's illegal to tamper with these seeds to produce plants that reproduce.

--- End quote ---

That analogy would pertain to ROMs, which is not the point. If you can show how that applies to "reproducing" Xboxes feel free to do so.

Look, this is the crux.

The Federal government (and by extension Microsoft) elected to try and take this guy out for modding Xboxes not for distributing illegal ROMs. That is the issue that was chosen by the lawyers. (Made worse by their star witness own admission to modding Xboxes himself.)

If the lawyers have chosen to prosecute this guy for illegal ROMs, fine, you'll broker no argument from me. But they didn't and that's the problem that you completely fail to see. A case like this would not stop at modding Xboxes, it would expand to other products. Everything from DVD players to automobiles could potentially fall under this sort of "protecton". Do you really want to live in a world where it's illegal to mod your toaster because of the network component?

OK, a toaster is a little over the top, but the point still stands. Americans have to be willing to accept that for every positive right that we protect there are bound to be bad things that come out of it or morons who push it too far. By protecting the ability to mod Xboxes you also protect the right to tear apart existing electronics and repurpose the guts for arcade cabinets.

This holds true for everything around us. If we continue to allow money hungry corporations to dictate to us what is allowed and not allowed then we are no better than the uneducated peasants of yore.

Yes, I think that most of us understand the implications of roms. That was never the point and most certainly not the choice of logic the lawyers in this case persued. Yes we know that, ultimately, this is meant to stave off illegal roms but this case is akin to banning hammers because some ass chose to smash in a store window during a burglary.

If those of still fail to see that, then I'm sorry for you.

atomikbohm:
Dartful,

Red Yeast Rice is a staple of some Asian diets. (think the Asian equivalent of potatoes) Red Yeast Rice can contain lovastatin.  A substance that has an effect on the human body very simular to Statin drugs (patented).  Any product that containing lovastatin has banned by the FDA, with the exception of Statin drugs. (i.e. except for a specific use, like french fries).

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/redyeastrice.htm

Dartful Dodger, Please explain your point .... or did you have one?  , nice attitude. BTW :dunno

hyiu:
I don't pretend to know the law...

and I have modded game consoles at home... have copied games... have ripped dvds / cds... and also have some roms...

holy crap... I guess before I know it... FBI will be knocking down my door and I'll probably be on death row...   :P :P

anyways... I think that guy is being caught because he is doing it for PROFIT.

If he is doing it for himself, friends and families... I don't think he'll get into any trouble.
But he started treating it as a BUSINESS, and that "business profit" is directly going against the pocket of the big companies... MSFT... game companies...

and that got him in trouble...

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is it legal to modd an xbox to be a media player... or to modify it to suit ur needs ??

seriously, I don't know... but I think the big companies are too big to chase down every single guy who tamper with their xbox, legal or not.  Since they would assume the majority of the public will not be brave / smart / resourceful enough to do it themselves...

but when you start doing it for public for a "service charge"... or maybe placing ads to get customers.... and making $$ on their cost... they will try to hunt you down.



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