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Yie Ar Kung-Fu has THREE buttons, not TWO!?!
RayB:
It's kind of strange that someone who readily admits to having a "crippled brain" won't realize maybe this whole argument is an example of how that crippled brain has trouble understanding things.
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---It's not easier for me. Give me 2 full sized joysticks and my head goes 'wtf, can't play this' and my co-ordination and concentration go all over the place. I can't *play* Robotron like that, I die on the first 2 waves,
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This is called PRACTICE. You think I was good at Robotron at first? I stunk at it too. But if you actually invest a Little time into it, you actually improve. Improve to the point where you realize the difference that is made from using a better tool than a poor tool.
Haze:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 14, 2010, 06:08:56 pm ---
--- Quote ---I'm surprised you're not demanding MAME stick with 2 buttons on Yiear, it's what the designers wanted, clearly. Allowing 3 buttons is a hack which ruins the experience that was given on a genuine cabinet by destroying the difficulty and ability to eat your money, which is all arcade games were designed for anyway.
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I said I wasnt a big fan of it, BUT, because its part of the games history, it Should be preserved and be able to be experienced.
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There are debug features in many games, hidden levels, hidden control schemes which were part of the game at one stage. They never made it into the final product. You can enable them with hacks. The 3rd button never made it into an official cabinet, it might have been locked out from a hardware point of view, rather than a software point of view, but it's as much of a debug feature as anything else.
You can enable the debug features in most games with simple 1 byte rom patches, from a software point of view, no different to the hardware mod needed to use a 3rd button. MAME doesn't enable all those things just because they're trivial to enable.
What constitutes part of the final game? All evidence points that Yiear is a 2 button game, even if the software does support 3. Should MAME misrepresent it? Should MAME enable the software mods that allow various hidden features to be accessed too? (Eco Fighters was clearly designed with a spinner in mind, there is code for a spinner buried in the ROM, the attract mode is clearly recorded with a spinner, yet it never shipped that way but is 100x more playable that way, you have to modify a byte in the rom to use that code tho)
It's not a simple black and white issue.
Haze:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 14, 2010, 06:11:47 pm ---
--- Quote ---It's not easier for me. Give me 2 full sized joysticks and my head goes 'wtf, can't play this' and my co-ordination and concentration go all over the place. I can't *play* Robotron like that, I die on the first 2 waves,
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This is called PRACTICE. You think I was good at Robotron at first? I stunk at it too. But if you actually invest a Little time into it, you actually improve. Improve to the point where you realize the difference that is made from using a better tool than a poor tool.
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Learning to program is called PRACTICE too, and would solve all your problems here..
Once again you fail to realise different people have different limitations, playing with 2 sticks, and my hands distanced is impossible for me, I don't have the co-ordination, I never will have the co-ordination. As far as I'm concerned the original controls on things like Robotron and 720 are a bit crap and _ruin_ my enjoyment of the games.
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---Again, you continue to directly insult my ability based on your own personal opinions. I hereby simply request that saint ban you, and your constant trolling from these forums. I can't remember the last time you made a worthwhile contribution here, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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You could say that you directly insulted me by telling me I was too lazy to program.
Also, there are far more people here that should be banned, who have used far harsher language and foul posts that all and any post Ive ever made combined.
I dont know if you have been reading the posts, and the little pictures that pop up here and there.... but all I have to say is that if these people cant get banned... its gona take a lot more effort from me to get banned.
As for contributions, Ive done more than a lot of people here to contribute to mame. From donations to artwork. And advice and helpful post on this very site, well often.