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Yie Ar Kung-Fu has THREE buttons, not TWO!?!

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Xiaou2:


--- Quote ---But no one moves Wico's a hair... they move them to the extremes when playing Robotron.
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 You are correct, and its Also true of mini analogs.  Even more so because they are harder to keep control of due to less leverage & no resistance past a certain point.

 The Mini Analogs have a deadzone that is greater than the time it takes to activate a wico.

 Also, and much more importantly, If you have to move from one extreme side to the next, the mini-analog has to move twice the distance of the Wicos Period.  Even if they activate 3/4th down the way, its still much further than the Wico, and the players thumbs will Still be shot to the furthest edge... meaning that when he has to move the opposite direction, he again will be at a distance loss.  

 Distance = Reaction time.  And the further you have to travel before the thing activates... the more chance you are to getting whacked by enemy fire.

(and all this excludes all the other factors, such as increased friction from dual springs, poor leverage - whereas your entire hand can move/react faster than your slow thumb, superior stick leverage, and much more)
 
 As for the Brake example Malenko, its funny cause you dont understand the end results... and you didnt really prove me wrong.   The brake will start to engage before the end of travel, and will close to a certain level of pressure.  The further the pedal is pressed... the more pressure will be applied.  If a child ran in front of you, you cant just apply light brake force.  It has to be the FULL pressure to stop them IMMEDIATELY.  This means hitting the Floor.  

 Anyways, it doesnt matter because its explained above 'precisely'.  An analogy isnt always precise.. its just to get an idea across.


--- Quote ---I prefer sticks for Smash TV but dual analogs for robotron.
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That does not even make sense.


abaraba:


--- Quote from: nipsmg on November 17, 2010, 01:54:53 pm ---I had thought we had confirmed that there was no pin dedicated to that button on the board's edge connector for the wiring harness.  

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It's still the main question of this thread.

It is recursive problem since the only source of information beside the actual PCB is MAME. So, while we are waiting to confirm this against the real hardware it is basically a question of whom do you trust more, old MAME programmers, or new, baby ones. I trust MAME would not originally fiddle with hacking out this thing if it was not there exposed as legit I/O to start with, and as much as I know how emulation is done I believe there was functional pin for it on the PCB edge connector, and Haze can maybe confirm whether otherwise would be possible to emulate/support this at all.



--- Quote ---In that whole post, you can replace the phrase "wiring harness" with "the PCB's connector for the wiring harness".  The connection on the board is what's important.  I don't care what the actual wiring harness had on it, as that's not part of the emulated hardware.  That's all "wired up" in the control panel.   If you want to add or remove a wire, you can assign or un-assign a key or control for that function in MAME's control panel as long as there is a pin/contact/whatever  (exposed function) on that connector to add or remove a wire for.  

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Yes.



--- Quote ---I think we're somehow, oddly, arguing the same point.  

If there was a pin on the connector for the wiring harness for the 3rd button, that means that the PCB had a defined, exposed interface for button 3, and it should definitely show up on the controls screen.

If, however, there was support for a 3rd button in software, but the PCB did not have a pin on the connector for the wiring harness to allow wiring up to it, then it shouldn't be exposed in software either and shouldn't show up on the controls screen. (without a hack, just like enabling the 3rd button on that board would require a hardware hack).

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Ok, I agree.


abaraba:


--- Quote from: pinballjim on November 17, 2010, 02:13:39 pm ---I rest my case.

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I have no idea what are you talking about or who are you talking to, but could you tell me more about that game? What is it called in English? How many games, what games, are they licensed? Screen rotation supported, vertical/horizontal?



abaraba:


--- Quote from: Malenko on November 17, 2010, 10:46:06 am ---I really dont understand why you have such a bug up your ass because Haze prefers the dual analogs, different strokes for different folks.

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Haze talks about personal preference, Xiaou2 is talking about physics.

While the physics itself may be absolute, the joystick is not the only relevant mechanical construct that matters here. It is unwise to underestimate "human machine", it's flexible, adaptive, and as much as you can guarantee the physics is the same for all, you are still dealing with unknown boundaries of human abilities, not to talk about the mind and subjective perception here, plus the interesting combination of the two.

And so, while your eyes will surely help you beat many blind men in pinball, to understand that at the end it all is relative you only need to meet Tommy. Ever since I was a young boy I've played the silver ball, From Soho down to Brighton, I must have played them all, But I ain't seen nothing like him In any amusement hall, That deaf, dumb and blind kid Sure plays a mean pinball. He stands like a statue, Becomes part of the machine, Feeling all the bumpers, Always playing clean. He plays by intuition, The digit counters fall, That deaf, dumb and blind kid Sure plays a mean pinball!

He's a pinball wizard
There's got to be a twist
A pinball wizard, He's got such a supple wrist!


How do you think he does it?

- I don't know!

What makes him so good?


He ain't got no distractions
Can't hear those buzzers and bells
Don't see lights a flashin', Plays by sense of smell!

abaraba:

In what section of this forum do I post the question about Popeye PCB and those problems with non-standard power supply or something? Also, where to ask question about Green Beret PCB, which to my surprise seem to run on 30Hz. I do not have arcade monitor but SCART TV and I'm afraid it is not interlaced resolution and so this TV can not really sync to 30Hz vertical refresh. It looks like the screen gets refreshed only half the time - everything is much darker than with in any other boards or MAME, poor contrast, kind of washed out picture.

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