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Yie Ar Kung-Fu has THREE buttons, not TWO!?!
Xiaou2:
And I repeat again, the color idea was just an idea. I dont think the button should be a part of the main menu. It should be hacked into the cheat system in some form... or on its own sub-category..etc.
The stereo option, could also be part of a built-in cheat switch option.
Haze:
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--- Quote --- An Analog stick is not leverage the same way. Analogs need a wider range of motion to provide much more resolution. Because of this, you have about 5 times as much travel to the furthest extents. Then you take away a dead-zone for poor accuracy, and that leaves you even more problems. Then you add in the fact that an analog has a dual spring system that puts major tension in the middle, & little tension on the middle to outside edge... and that compounds things even more.
(much more apparent in a game like Sinistar, where even the tiniest move can make you go warp speed, & or the wrong vector)
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you can say what you want, I'm telling you, at no point when playing Robotron with the controller available to me have I felt that the controller is to blame for any deaths. The game is reading the inputs at 1/60th of a second at best, less when it slows down due to excessive activity, my actual reactions I would stipulate are slower than that, but once I actually move my thumb / hand the difference is LESS than the 1/60th of a second regardless of controller used.
for this simple reason, it doesn't matter. The controller I'm most comfortable with is the best controller for the game. your argument is basically the 'monster cables' argument. Any benefit you're seeing from the original controls is either mental conditioning, or a placebo effect. There is no real technical advantage.
Siris:
This thread has gone in so many different directions it's insane!
It's gone from MAME doesn't accurately represent the PCB to difficulties of drawing and programming to martial arts and the proper joystick for certain games.
So let's break it down the common thing throughout all this has been MAME.
abaraba: Besides starting off by insulting the MAME team for their decision to remove the JUMP button from Yiear (which never existed beyond development) you have persistently nagged, bitched, and whined about it even trying to conduct a poll by from my count the majority are against you. You have been told if you feel your argument is justified simply submit the fix with your evidence validating why it's appropriate. This is not the place for such rants!
Xiaou2: Your grievances are many fold but basically the same as abaraba in that MAME doesn't represent what you believe it should, then basically saying that if it weren't for the WICO joystick Robotron wouldn't even have been made because the designers couldn't/wouldn't have made it with any other controller. You have this attitude with other games aswell.
Both of you seem to fail to understand that MAME is not a PAID project it is programmed by people for fun and enjoyment! No one is going to listen to people who ---smurfette--- at them for doing something they enjoy if anything it will make them stop doing it!
If you believe so hard core then buy the original game and show it off to your friends and explain every detail to them!
You can set up an original cab of any game and set the supposed perfectly emulated game on MAME in a CAB next to it and I will GUARANTEE they will NOT behave the same that's emulation!
Deal with it, Submit your fixes, try and contribute in a non harsh way, or please STFU!
eds1275:
--- Quote from: Siris on November 15, 2010, 11:49:44 pm ---fail to understand that MAME is not a PAID project it is programmed by people for fun and enjoyment! No one is going to listen to people who ---smurfette--- at them for doing something they enjoy if anything it will make them stop doing it!
Deal with it, Submit your fixes, try and contribute in a non harsh way, or please STFU!
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Hey, don't make sense... that's not what we do here. :lol
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---Xiaou2: Your grievances are many fold but basically the same as abaraba in that MAME doesn't represent what you believe it should, then basically saying that if it weren't for the WICO joystick Robotron wouldn't even have been made because the designers couldn't/wouldn't have made it with any other controller. You have this attitude with other games aswell.
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No.
Im saying that the gameplay was designed and balanced with these sticks. If they had used other less sensitive controllers... they would have had to reduce the games difficulty by half of its current intensity. (Which is pretty much how all games made today are... Easy, boring, Snorefests, which take no skill to make progress in)
However, if they had used a typical happs comp... the square restriction would have caused carnage to the sticks. They wouldnt have lasted 2 weeks in an arcade setting.
--- Quote --- you can say what you want, I'm telling you, at no point when playing Robotron with the controller available to me have I felt that the controller is to blame for any deaths. The game is reading the inputs at 1/60th of a second at best, less when it slows down due to excessive activity, my actual reactions I would stipulate are slower than that, but once I actually move my thumb / hand the difference is LESS than the 1/60th of a second regardless of controller used.
for this simple reason, it doesn't matter. The controller I'm most comfortable with is the best controller for the game. your argument is basically the 'monster cables' argument. Any benefit you're seeing from the original controls is either mental conditioning, or a placebo effect. There is no real technical advantage.
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I really cant believe how much of a lack of logic you have.
If you have one guy run 50 meters to the left, then 50 to the right... He wont be able to beat the guy who runs 10 meters to the left, and 10 to the right.
If you glue a stick to your analog, and tilt it as far as it goes in each direction... then note the distance between the angles, you will see exactly how far you have to move relative to a wico. The Wico angles will be 1/5th or less the distance.
Monster Cables have Zero benefit at all for the signal that they carry. However, there IS a HUGE Mechanical advantage that can easily be measured and felt, with wico leafs. This isnt some small difference, its a Huge one.
A simple experiment can be done. Write a test program that measures the time it takes to move from left to right for exactly 60 seconds. Anyone with a wico leaf hooked up will beat your time by more than half.
For one, the thumb is a clumsy slow digit. Moving laterally back and forth accurately and fast, in the air alone, is horrible. (Try brushing your teeth with the movement of your thumb, but not moving the arm/wrist) Then, take your fist in shake it laterally as fast as possible. Its a piece of cake. Its accurate, its fast, its no fatiguing. Its called Physics.
The rest boils down to more resistance (friction), longer distance to travel, and all the other things mentioned.
If your too simple minded to understand, and you dont believe me, ask some highly paid egg head engineers. They will give it to you straight up.
And, who do you think designs these controllers? Some idiot with a block of wood and a carving knife?! These are highly precise and severely complex things that only specialist can handle. Especially considering that these things had to be built to withstand major abuses and extreme wear.
This is the very simplest of physics. Even grade schoolers should be able to understand this stuff.