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Iron Man Classic (home edition) just announced
MameMaster!:
The commercial machines were selling NIB at the Allentown pin convention in May for $4100.
This stripped down machine @ $3800 + NYS sales tax (where I am) $313.50 + shipping assuming it's at least $200 = $4313.50.
This literally does not add up.
If only they could push the price down to $2500 or less. That would be way more appealing.
But there's also the issue to consider about us-- we know what you can buy a machine for (new and used). Most folks don't have a clue. But is there a big enough market of suckers to sell these for $4K or so in Costco?
I cannot imagine there is.
It would be great if they would sell a shell-- and kits to change the machine at will. I wonder that would run for people like us who enjoy this as a hobby ?
JeepMonkey:
--- Quote from: RayB on October 14, 2010, 01:04:26 pm ---Speech by Gary Stern in 2009 explains everything:
http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/expo2009/garystern.mp3
--- End quote ---
Two things I found interesting here.
1. "I have been in pinball my entire life. Well, I should say since I was two because my dad had..." I don't think that you being two years old and your dad being in the business counts as experiance. There is something about the "my entire life" comments that rubs me the wrong way.
2. "Home buyers play these machines for three weeks, then they just become a piece of furniture." It almost sounds like Stern either has to keep people interested for a few weeks, or be more concerned with how it looks in the house rather than how good the game actually is.
RayB:
--- Quote from: JeepMonkey on October 18, 2010, 02:59:40 pm ---Two things I found interesting here.
1. "I have been in pinball my entire life. Well, I should say since I was two because my dad had..." I don't think that you being two years old and your dad being in the business counts as experiance. There is something about the "my entire life" comments that rubs me the wrong way.
--- End quote ---
Yeah, so if he said he was an MBA who got into the business 10 years ago with zero experience, that would make you all warm and fuzzy?
--- Quote ---2. "Home buyers play these machines for three weeks, then they just become a piece of furniture." It almost sounds like Stern either has to keep people interested for a few weeks, or be more concerned with how it looks in the house rather than how good the game actually is.
--- End quote ---
THe point he was making is that LICENSES MATTER, because the bulk of his home buyers care more about the license than rule-sets. You have to understand he was speaking to a room of pin nerds who have bombard the guy with questions from the point of view of a pin nerd rather than from the point of view of the business reality.
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---Yeah, so if he said he was an MBA who got into the business 10 years ago with zero experience, that would make you all warm and fuzzy?
--- End quote ---
Being a Business man is far different from being creative / artistic, and having a "clue".
(Marble Madness II anyone? heh)
I can go on and on about business men failures in the various industries. Things that never would have happened, if someone who had a clue, was behind the wheel.
Anyone can appreciate his depth of business knowledge, but, that does not mean what his ideals are correct and will work.
--- Quote ---Home buyers play these machines for three weeks, then they just become a piece of furniture."
--- End quote ---
So, with such Wonderful artwork they have "GAG", they think people want to put generica into the living room?
Personally, I have no idea about "Rules". I just play to keep the ball alive, try to get the ramps, toys, multiball, modes, etc. The main problem is the lacking of more voices, musical scores, modes...
If people want deeper rules, that could be part of a home package that people could buy as an add-on.
If Stern is gona make Toys, then make toys. But when you take just about everything out of a machine, it becomes a very overpriced toy that nobody really wants.
(Then again, many of Sterns 'toys' are pathetically useless)
There is some truth to what he says, but theres a ton of BS in there too.
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