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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: gShooter on October 11, 2010, 02:26:13 pm ---To add another level to an already crowded discussion, how about the JROK boards or the programmable boards?  Do they also use, at their lowest level, a version of MAME?

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Jrok -- Not that I am aware of -- the only emulation is in the sound processing.

Programmable AS boards -- I believe that Aaron confirmed that Clay's boards had no MAME in them.
Malenko:

--- Quote from: gShooter on October 11, 2010, 12:44:32 pm ---

1. (and thus ripping off both the original manufacturers and emulation developers in the process)
I would go a little further and say that I know of very few people who use MAME and actually own the ROMs they use.  I dont know percentages, but that would be an interesting statistic.

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Then you dont know many people, or the people you know arent the norm. Yes I do play games in MAME I dont own (mostly because I cant find the boards to purchase) but I own A LOT of arcade PCBs, more then you for sure but theres people on here who put my PCB collection to shame with their cabinet collection alone.
FrizzleFried:
I've had and sold 60-in-1 boards.  They are what they are... a Chinese "toy".  The emulation in many of the games is done well... but for an equal number of games the sound is horrid (as Haze points out).  Also as Haze points out,  they run on an old old old ass version of MAME.  Hell,  I think MAME now actually EMULATES the 39-in-1 which is MAME!! (MAME emulating MAME?!)... anyway... they are cheap... they work (most of the time)... but they're inflexible... limited... annoying (the sound)... and should be avoided IMHO.

As for banning the discussion here... i think it hurts more to do that than helps.  Just be honest about what they are (MAME) and let the person asking the questions make his/her own determination.

Personally... I replaced BOTH of my 60-in-1 boards with Arcade Shop boards... which,  unfortunately,  are now only available as bootlegs of the original or used... (but that is another story...)
gShooter:

--- Quote from: Malenko on October 12, 2010, 09:23:56 am ---
--- Quote from: gShooter on October 11, 2010, 12:44:32 pm ---

1. (and thus ripping off both the original manufacturers and emulation developers in the process)
I would go a little further and say that I know of very few people who use MAME and actually own the ROMs they use.  I dont know percentages, but that would be an interesting statistic.

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Then you dont know many people, or the people you know arent the norm. Yes I do play games in MAME I dont own (mostly because I cant find the boards to purchase) but I own A LOT of arcade PCBs, more then you for sure but theres people on here who put my PCB collection to shame with their cabinet collection alone.

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I didnt make mention of PCBs.  I own a few as well.  I hate speaking in generalities, but most people who speak of MAME usually speak to having 1000's of games available to them....from arcade to console.  In those cases, I am positive that the people who make those statements, do not 'own' the vast majority of the ROMs they are using.  You bring up a valid point in that users of this forum arent the typical gamer, builder, collector (whichever term you prefer) when it comes to arcade games.  But I will go back to my original statement in that the majority, maybe not he majority here, of users do not own the ROMs they are using.

As for PCBs, is it legal to make a copy of the ROM on the PCB for emulation?  From discussions in different threads, I was under the impression that just because you own the PCB doesnt mean you own and can do whatever you want with the ROM.  I dont know if the Digital Copyright Act well enough to make a statement about the validity of ROMs on PCBs created before the DCA was enacted.  I know plenty enough about software as I was a commercial programmer for 3 years, but the code residing on the PCBs is a little fuzzy.
gShooter:

--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on October 12, 2010, 09:55:45 am ---I've had and sold 60-in-1 boards.  They are what they are... a Chinese "toy".  The emulation in many of the games is done well... but for an equal number of games the sound is horrid (as Haze points out).  Also as Haze points out,  they run on an old old old ass version of MAME.  Hell,  I think MAME now actually EMULATES the 39-in-1 which is MAME!! (MAME emulating MAME?!)... anyway... they are cheap... they work (most of the time)... but they're inflexible... limited... annoying (the sound)... and should be avoided IMHO.

As for banning the discussion here... i think it hurts more to do that than helps.  Just be honest about what they are (MAME) and let the person asking the questions make his/her own determination.

Personally... I replaced BOTH of my 60-in-1 boards with Arcade Shop boards... which,  unfortunately,  are now only available as bootlegs of the original or used... (but that is another story...)


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Solid points.  I regard the 60v1 boards in the same manner.  I think they are interesting toys and as with anything, offer a project for me to complete.  I enjoy playin the old arcade games, many of which I played growing up, but for me, half of the fun is building, restoring, finding old machines which end up being projects to complete.  Very seldom have I ever kept a machine more than a few months once its completed.  I guess if I ever get my hands on a real Robotron or an 8 Ball Deluxe pin, then I would definately keep those as they are my favorite.  

As it is now, I get to play 8 Ball Deluxe only when I hit Vegas and stop by the Pinball Hall of Fame.
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