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FrizzleFried:

Your sand box...




saint:


--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on December 20, 2010, 07:46:08 pm ---Your sand box...

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Meh, I'll go with the consensus... See what a few more people have to say.


ChadTower:


saint, do you honestly see an involuntary refund, facilitated by Paypal, as good enough to continue doing business here?  

I agree with Frizz that he should be banned from offering any new sales on this forum until he has made good on every sale he made via this forum.  That should include either all merchandise delivered, or all refunds made of his own free will, or whatever combination gets to 100% complete.  

The way I see it I have been ripped off.  The way you see it I will never be ripped off because there is always a chance he might deliver the item.  It gives the guy an open ended loophole to deliver nothing - which is exactly what he delivers until coerced.




saint:


--- Quote from: ChadTower on December 20, 2010, 08:42:44 pm ---
saint, do you honestly see an involuntary refund, facilitated by Paypal, as good enough to continue doing business here?  

I agree with Frizz that he should be banned from offering any new sales on this forum until he has made good on every sale he made via this forum.  That should include either all merchandise delivered, or all refunds made of his own free will, or whatever combination gets to 100% complete.  

The way I see it I have been ripped off.  The way you see it I will never be ripped off because there is always a chance he might deliver the item.  It gives the guy an open ended loophole to deliver nothing - which is exactly what he delivers until coerced.




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Not sure why this is so difficult but I'll throw it out one more time, then either way I yield to the consensus.

People who have opted for a Paypal dispute didn't indicate if they asked for a refund. If he wasn't given a chance to give a refund before they pulled the trigger, he's a poor businessman, but not necessarily a scammer. If they resorted to PayPal because he refused them a refund he's a scammer. Do you not see this as two different scenarios?

No one has said they've asked for a refund and been denied -- am I wrong?

I used to have a donate button on the website here. Donate via PayPal to the expense of running this site. I had one guy donate a few bucks, then the next day disputed it. I had to go through the PayPal dispute process to refund him. He never once actually contacted me. The whole thing was a bit surreal. Did I scam him?

Chad, have you asked for a refund?

Anyway, I will still go with the consensus... To clarify, the question isn't whether he should continue to do business here. Until he squares things with everyone I don't think he should. The question is whether or not he gets banned, which is what you've asked for I think?

--- saint


MameMaster!:

Personally-- banning him will get his attention I'm sure.  :-\

I've actually spoken with Dave for an interview I did that appeared in the last issue of GameRoom.

I didn't write about it in the article but I did ask him about the delays. At the time I tried to impress upon him how distressing it is to pay so much money for this stuff and then a total silence when trying to get the product shipped.

Ultimately-- I agree with Saint. He's legit....just not good at the business aspect of what he perceives as a hobby for him in selling these parts.

But, that doesn't excuse sloppy sales. He does make amazing products. My yoke took 4 years (+/-)...and I even had gotten a refund during that time period.
 :dunno

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