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| FrizzleFried:
--- Quote from: saint on December 20, 2010, 03:07:49 pm ---I've yet to see a single person indicate they were ripped off. I'm not defending his business and don't care to get into a debate on it, but the criteria for a scam artists imho is someone who takes people's money and won't deliver the product or a refund. When people start saying they didn't get their products *and* requested a refund and didn't get one, then the word scam applies. At that point I'll do something different on the forum here... --- End quote --- Uh... RIGHT ABOVE YOUR POST Saint... EDIT: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=162144 Thousands of dollars the guy owes in parts... THOUSANDS... and many have had to resort to Paypal disputes/claims. If that isn't evidence enough I don't know what is. |
| saint:
--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on December 20, 2010, 04:03:47 pm --- --- Quote from: saint on December 20, 2010, 03:07:49 pm ---I've yet to see a single person indicate they were ripped off. I'm not defending his business and don't care to get into a debate on it, but the criteria for a scam artists imho is someone who takes people's money and won't deliver the product or a refund. When people start saying they didn't get their products *and* requested a refund and didn't get one, then the word scam applies. At that point I'll do something different on the forum here... --- End quote --- Uh... RIGHT ABOVE YOUR POST Saint... EDIT: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=162144 Thousands of dollars the guy owes in parts... THOUSANDS... and many have had to resort to Paypal disputes/claims. If that isn't evidence enough I don't know what is. --- End quote --- Ripped off means didn't get product and didn't get refund, to me. I concur ordering from Dave is dicey and likely to be a multi-year proposition, and I don't know that I'd order from him unfortunately. I myself asked him if I ordered a yoke when I could expect it, got no answer and didn't order. However, in that entire 10 page thread, there was one single post of a person saying they were waiting for a refund, and that was 4 days of waiting. No one in that thread said they were refused a refund. That single poster hasn't posted an update indicating if he got his refund or was left high and dry. What do you guys want me to do? If I ban Dave from the forum that cuts off an avenue of communication, which through some persistence has been several users avenue to finally getting their products. What do you guys want me to do? |
| nick3092:
Being one of the people who had difficulty with Dave, I can tell you from experience he is not very active here. Your best bet is to PM him at KLOV and email him. His replies are spotty at best, but if you follow up frequently using these methods, you'll get an answer eventually. Also, on a side note, despite me asking Dave like 3 times for a PDF of the yoke manual, he has yet to send me one. If anyone who got one would be kind enough to scan a copy of it and send it to me, I would be most appreciative. Thanks! |
| FrizzleFried:
--- Quote from: saint on December 20, 2010, 06:42:20 pm --- What do you guys want me to do? --- End quote --- At the very least he should be banned from the For Sale/Trade forum and should be banned from announcing ANY of his wares here in the general forum. I smelled that duck YEARS ago and called it... and was called every name in the book... I hate being right sometimes. EDIT: BTW... --- Quote ---Paid $1500 on Nov 7th for a large quantity of 6821, 68B21, and 6532 chips. Edit: 12/19: Escalated to a PP Claim today before the 45 day window closes. --- End quote --- --- Quote ---Paypal refunded money for MC control panel. --- End quote --- (our very own Mr. Do! even!) --- Quote ---Paypal dispute opened - I am happy to buy the items once they are ready to ship, in the meantime I have to do this --- End quote --- --- Quote ---I decided to just file a Paypal claim before the 45 day window was closed-- ended up getting a refund on two orders of chips totaling $1010. --- End quote --- (clay cowgill) ...etc...etc...etc... ...you may wanna go re-read that thread again. I guess you don't consider having to convince Paypal to refund your dough as "Dave refusing to refund"? From my point of view... if you have to dispute a Paypal charge and still get no response... requiring you to file a CLAIM... I call that "refusing to refund"... |
| saint:
--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on December 20, 2010, 07:31:20 pm --- --- Quote from: saint on December 20, 2010, 06:42:20 pm --- What do you guys want me to do? --- End quote --- At the very least he should be banned from the For Sale/Trade forum and should be banned from announcing ANY of his wares here in the general forum. I smelled that duck YEARS ago and called it... and was called every name in the book... I hate being right sometimes. EDIT: BTW... --- Quote ---Paid $1500 on Nov 7th for a large quantity of 6821, 68B21, and 6532 chips. Edit: 12/19: Escalated to a PP Claim today before the 45 day window closes. --- End quote --- ...you may wanna go re-read that thread again. --- End quote --- I did. Read every post. We may be splitting hairs here, if they file a paypal claim and get their money back, that's a refund to me. Not a one said they asked for a refund, were denied, and so had to resort to Paypal as a last resort. Perhaps my definition is too narrow... I think Dave's a poor businessman. It's not clear to me he's a scam artist. I've never hesitated to nuke a scam artist. I think leaving communication channels open for a poor businessman is better for those trying to get their products or money than cutting him off altogether. Am I wrong? I'd like to hear what people who've done business with him have to say. (I like hearing from you too you big lug, but you don't have any money invested as far as I know... Neither do I.) |
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