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Driver-Man:

--- Quote ---You buy a PC, you have your invoice, it's preinstalled with Windows and Office.

The copies of Windows and Office aren't legal, they've been installed from pirate copies of the discs using cloned keys, and they're infringing on Microsoft's copyrights and licensing.

Despite 'legally purchasing' your PC, you now can't use it properly.

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Are you saying some retail stores are selling PCs with illegal copy of Windows and giving tax invoice for it? In that case the buyer is entitled to recover damages from the store that sold it. Again buyer is not liable to be prosecuted or charged with anything, if such store exists at all. There are no damages you caused and can be responsible to recover, unless you are the one who is installing illegal copies. Also, if you bought them with intention to re-sell and knew about the violation, then you could be charged as well, but again, I want to know about actual court cases, MS can say whatever they want, that still doesn't mean it can really stand in court.



--- Quote ---I've given you a real-world example of where buying a product...

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Ok, we are discussing it now, though it would be better if we could stick with arcades, games and emulators.

I also gave you real-world examples...

1.) I have written statement from the custom office that they inspected the item. I do not remember the wording but I believe it was in fact a declaration that item is legal. That's what they were inspecting it for.

What's your response to this?


2.) U.S. International Trade Commission ruled that Nvidia violated three of five patents held by Rambus which could lead to a possible U.S. ban on the import of some Nvidia products. -- So, anyone who has, buys or sells this offending hardware is breaking the law and can be held accountable for trafficking or possession of illegal item? Or maybe, the government needs to issue a BAN on the particular item first? YES/NO

What say you, please?
CheffoJeffo:
You know what, Driver-Man ... just put your machine on route. Chances are you won't have a problem unless somebody decides to report you.

I see these boards on route all the time, know they are neither legal nor licensed and have never bothered to report one.

Your lack of legal understanding and arcade acumen notwithstanding, I wouldn't expect anybody to turn you in.

FWIW, the message that you got from Customs, upon which you seem to base your entire argument (yet conveniently misplaced) most likely just said that they inspected your package, found it not to contradict the declaration and found no reason to reject it. They would be hard-pressed to say more since Customs and Excise is a federal agency and is not empowered, nor informed, to enforce laws which may well be set at the local level.

At the very least, your boards are all MAME-based and in violation of the MAME license and you have now been informed of that by one of the MAMEDevs (you know, one of the guys whose rights you want to violate). And, obviously, you have no license for the ROMS and have been informed of that by people who are far more aware of all of these products and their licensing than you are.

You can no longer claim ignorance as a defence, although it seems to be in plentiful supply around you.

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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 12, 2010, 12:56:21 pm ---1.) I have written statement from the custom office that they inspected the item. I do not remember the wording but I believe it was in fact a declaration that item is legal. That's what they were inspecting it for.

What's your response to this?

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You need to post a copy of declaration before asking us to render judgement. Duh!

I'll bet I have bought more of these boards than you have and have NEVER received any declaration that the product was legal or authorized for use.
CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 11, 2010, 07:03:59 pm --- But hey, there was once real cocaine in Coca-Cola, and that was legal for a while, or so they say.

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But cocaine wasn't illegal then, was it ? It was actually commonly marketed, as was heroin.

 :dizzy:
SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 12, 2010, 09:38:35 am ---
--- Quote ---Once again, your inability to do the research shows through. nVidia/ATI, AMD/Intel  already did sue each other for more money than most of us make in a lifetime. The difference here is that this has all been settled and fees have been paid and interestingly, permission granted in some of those cases. The comparison between the business model of these company and a video game company is a poor one.

...
Once again, research would aid your argument and understanding how these laws function would go a long way in looking less like an idiot looking to make a buck. Here is a link to U.S. customs for the other people in this forum who are actually capable of doing the research.

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I finally see why are you so angry, you are jealous because you think I'm making money out of this, somehow.

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Hardly angry, annoyed is more like it. Annoyed at your inability to grasp basic concepts and your inability to cite sources (which you want everyone else but you to do. However, above all is your inability to Search for answers.


--- Quote ---I already told you I PAID for my PCBs, I did not make them, nor did I sell them. I also did not violate any copyrights, I'm the VICTIM,

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As any person in any country other than the U.S. claiming to be an innocent victim does not fly. The U.S. has this weird mentality about what it means to be a victim. You are not a victim. You are just trying to justify something that should have been obvious from the get go.


--- Quote ---I would not know it was illegal if it was not for you. CUSTOMS OFFICE DECLARED IT LEGAL, so whom should I believe? If I wanted to make money that is the last thing I would be dealing with. I would rather take on empty COMs and re-sell them for mobile/embedded market. That would sell off thousands times faster. You are being pathetic, you hate me for all the wrong reasons.

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I posted the link to customs that explains how copyrights are handled you ass. Saying that a Customs official let something into this country, therfor making it legal, is an argument that absolutely does not hold water. It's asinine. It's pathetic. It's an epic FAIL. Even a minimal amount of research into how U.S. Customs works would tell you otherwise. ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, an hour long documentary on the History Channel would enlighten anyone beyond what you think you know about customs. Since your Search-Fu is clearly broken, go to cbp.gov and start your research there. Read the links I give you for a change instead of arguing the wrong side of a point.


--- Quote ---Did you actually say anything there? You are not making any arguments really, you're still waving hands and saying all is written "somewhere else" and all is so clear yet you can not articulate any actual reasoning or interpretation here. It's all explained on the Google website, right? -- So, you agree nVidia, ATI/AMD, Intel already did sue each other, and therefore these products everyone has/had were illegal at some point in time... and it was illegal to poses, buy and sell offending hardware. Yes?

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I articulated it well enough, I also presented links. You however are the one waving your hands trying to justify something. You ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up, accept it. You purchased the X-in-1 board, you are the one that should have known better. Then you come onto a board to somehow justify your purchase?


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--- Quote ---If you do not know the story of Tengen, then you sir, cannot be deemed a video gamer.

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You are failing to make an argument. All you have to do is point out a case, or few, where consumer or re-seller was brought to court and found guilty, or at least brought to court and charged.

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The immense stupidity of this statement is enough. Your ineptitude for basic search engine utilization is pretty clear at this point. I've asked you more than once for your citations. Of which I have seen none.


--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on September 12, 2010, 01:24:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 11, 2010, 07:03:59 pm --- But hey, there was once real cocaine in Coca-Cola, and that was legal for a while, or so they say.

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But cocaine wasn't illegal then, was it ? It was actually commonly marketed, as was heroin.

 :dizzy:

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In 1885. It was taxed but restricted by 1915 (or thereabouts) and finally a controlled substance by 19 er... 70?

How do I know this? Oh right, I did research. Pretty cool concept.


--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on September 12, 2010, 01:15:31 pm ---FWIW, the message that you got from Customs, upon which you seem to base your entire argument (yet conveniently misplaced) most likely just said that they inspected your package, found it not to contradict the declaration and found no reason to reject it. They would be hard-pressed to say more since Customs and Excise is a federal agency and is not empowered, nor informed, to enforce laws which may well be set at the local level.

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If X is registered at the Copyright office then the owner can register with Customs for a period of five years for a fee. This registration with Customs is seperate but related from the Copyright office, eg you cannot register a copyrighted product with Customs until it's actually Copyrighted. (the meaning of the prior statement should be painfully obvious) I can't conceive of a valid situation where registering with CBP before the Copyright office might arise though. There is no question that CBP has nothing to do with local laws, it's a point of contention with the Southern border states. Or it's more of the other way around... however those Southern states want to argue it.
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