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SavannahLion:

I'll come out and say it since no one else seems to. Driver-Man, you are immensely stupid.

You are drawing conclusions about the legality of a particular item based on the actions/laws in completely unrelated areas. Worse, you have assumptions about people at customs, the actions of the seller and a set of uninformed notions about tax and import laws.  If you had bothered to read the links I gave you, the answer is in Section 1201.

I have cited several sources, more than once, showing the folly of your flawed logic and reasoning. Where are your cited sources that support your argument?

At this point I'm inclined to believe that you're simply trolling. Obviously misleading statements such as your Coca-Cola comment, your refusal to read any of the citations given, as well as your refusal to actually give any citations supporting your view point would lead me to no other conclusion.

Driver-Man:


--- Quote from: Haze ---It's still an illegal product, It's illegal to resell or operate.  Ignorance is no defence.  Being taxed by the government has nothing to do with it, how were they meant to know the exact legal status of the item, that's your responsibility, just as it is when buying any other product. 

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At least we are down to last question/argument, thank you everyone!

Ok, again we know all the opinions, so I will not repeat any more of mine, the question now is how do we settle this? Shall we ask someone? Maybe have a look in some dictionary, Wikipedia? What legislation could possibly hold the definite answer to this question. How do we prove this either way?



--- Quote ---If I sell and invoice you for a 'luxury powdered substance' and pay the government what they're due do think think the cops are going to be any more lenient on you when they find you reselling it on the street corner?
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That is not it. You are counterfeiting invoice there too. There is a difference between infringing copyright and being illegal. There is a list which probably can be found at the customs office web site, the list of every single item category, from toothpick to airplane, including arcade PCBs, cabinets and arcade parts, together with liquor, tobacco, heroin... it defines legality, tax rate, fines, penalties, and such... but, infringing copyright, no one can be expected to know about it. -- And, I'm not making any justification or moral whatever, just figuring out the facts... I thought we are all on the same side here, I still have no idea why some people seem to not like what I say.



--- Quote ---'Should be free' is your opinion, but unless the companies release them for free, or the copyrights expire, they can't be considered free.  If you want to do something about that you'll have to somehow get all copyrights shortened, or conditionally made to expire once a product has 'no commercial value'.  Until that happens (which it won't) it's still a legal minefield.  Most of the boards you're talking about are running unlicensed copies of MAME anyway, so it would still be illegal even then.  Note, these things also run Pacman / Ms Pacman / Galaga and so are in DIRECT competition with the new rereleases Namco are pushing out, that would be your biggest threat.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/24691/InDepth_Exploring_Ultracades_Alleged_Counterfeit_Arcade_Game_Racket.php

is still the latest update on Ultracade / Foley afaik.

I believe there was a previous case where they were forced to stop using unlicensed Namco property too, it's been mentioned a few times.

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So, Ultracade bribed government with $100,000 and went back to continue as usual. No actual copyright owner pressed charges? So, who pressed charges - gamasutra? What in the world were they trying to do? Game companies and actual copyright holders never complained to authorities about Ultracade, it was all gamasutra playing some sort of "arcade police", but at the end game companies stopped to respond to gamasutra, they seem to become bothered of gamasutra pulling public statements from them, as if companies were not really sure to actually have proper copyrights, or were utterly uninterested in the case, none of which makes sense, but that's what happened, right?


Driver-Man:


--- Quote from: SavannahLion on September 11, 2010, 08:35:01 pm ---I'll come out and say it since no one else seems to. Driver-Man, you are immensely stupid.

You are drawing conclusions about the legality of a particular item based on the actions/laws in completely unrelated areas. Worse, you have assumptions about people at customs, the actions of the seller and a set of uninformed notions about tax and import laws.  If you had bothered to read the links I gave you, the answer is in Section 1201.

I have cited several sources, more than once, showing the folly of your flawed logic and reasoning. Where are your cited sources that support your argument?

At this point I'm inclined to believe that you're simply trolling. Obviously misleading statements such as your Coca-Cola comment, your refusal to read any of the citations given, as well as your refusal to actually give any citations supporting your view point would lead me to no other conclusion.

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Why insults, what is wrong with you?

You are waving hands, the answer is not in section 1201.

I have no idea how to prove either opinion, and I do not mind to stand corrected, there is nothing stupid about being wrong, but being an ass, that's just not cool... so, go away if you are happy with your current opinion, you are the one who is trolling. Although, I like your temper, I welcome you to stay so I can prove you wrong and make you blush like a little girl.


Osirus23:

Whats up with this site lately? Where are these people coming from?


CheffoJeffo:


--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 11, 2010, 07:03:59 pm ---
--- Quote ---It is NOT legal to operate or resell an illegal board, no matter where/how you obtained it.

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It IS legal if it is taxed by the government, free to import and available in retail stores

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Where the hell do you get this from ?

I have had this discussion, live and face-to-face with actual, real, IP lawyers.

If you want to split the hair on legal vs infringing, then fine, but, unless you actually are a lawyer, stop pretending to be one.

Show me the precedent or shut the ---fudgesicle--- up.

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