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CheffoJeffo:

I think that part of the reason why this thread drags and beats the same old glue-factory-bound-carcass is the simple matter that Driver-Man disagrees with the law and has his own ideas as to how the law works, which is fine, except that he keeps insisting that everybody else is wrong, including the MAMEDevs who are the only people here who have any say about MAME and how it is to be used.

Statements like "Buy it, go to the police and report it, you will be entitled to get your money back, not charged with a crime." sound sensible, but are not the way things work.

True, no cop is going to arrest you for turning in a pirate arcade board (DUH!), but you aren't going to get your money back either. Or, if are you getting that money back, I haven't heard of the jurisdiction where that is possible. In this realm, caveat emptor is most often the way of things. I'm reasonably certain that Driver-Man has never tried what he suggests and is certainly not a lawyer, so how would he know ?

We have seen a grand total of ZERO evidence of his "taxation == legal" argument. We haven't seen a copy of the text used in the customs inspection that he claims makes his 60-in-1 board legal. He hasn't even revealed what jurisdiction he lives in! He makes assumptions, applies some logic and tells us the result as if it were fact ... sure sounds like genesim.

We know, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the 48-in-1 and 60-in-1 boards are MAME-based. We also know, with absolute certainty, that these boards are not sold as licensed copies of the games in question (which Driver-Man seems to conveniently ignore). They are not legal. Can you get arrested for owning them ? I doubt it, so long as you aren't reselling them or using them for profit.

Driver-Man, it is important for you to realize that MAMEDevs don't need *your* blessing to do what they want to do with MAME. Hell, it's pretty clear that at least one of them thinks you are completely ignorant and doesn't value your opinion in the least!

MAME is THEIR product, not YOURS.

It really is that simple.

FWIW, you haven't done enough research yet into our friend Mr Foley, who people here can tell you that I don't get along with, but he did have an attractive vision for an "iRoms"-like service where arcade ROMS could be legally licensed for home users. That is something that he wanted that I was certainly behind 100%.



saint:


--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 16, 2010, 08:40:28 am ---Now it only needs to be made "official", placed somewhere on MAME website.

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Why? There's no benefit to the MAME project or MAME developers in doing so that I can see.


--- Quote ---as long as they themselves are not getting any money directly, donations are fine.

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These are contradictory. Donations are money received, no matter how one splits hairs.

Driver-Man:


--- Quote from: saint ---Why? There's no benefit to the MAME project or MAME developers in doing so that I can see.

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Until then it's not reasonable to expect anyone would know, believe, or care about it.


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FEDS SEIZE ALLEGED CLASSIC VIDEOGAME COPIES... A load of recently confiscated games were reportedly illegal classic video titles, according to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Department.

We established there would be no licensing agreements even if those were genuine boards. Just like when you buy Nvidia card you do not get any Rambus licensing agreement.

Nintendo had to take Tengen to court for anyone to even question whether Tenegen Teteris might be "illegal".

So, how in the world did they ever establish those were not properly copyrighted and where is their legal justification to seize them without any court ever ruling in relation to this item or company that makes it?


What if two weeks later customs office released all the units to the importer with an apology?



Turnarcades:

I hear Mr. Foley is looking for a lodger. Why don't you apply. Should get on like an arcade on fire.

saint:


--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 16, 2010, 10:48:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: saint ---Why? There's no benefit to the MAME project or MAME developers in doing so that I can see.

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Until then it's not reasonable to expect anyone would know, believe, or care about it.

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Besides reading the MAME license? Or listening to an actual MAME developer?

:dunno


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