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| shateredsoul:
so regardless of what moral reasoning we come up with, downloading mame roms is also illegal, and especially when people torrent because they also distribute I think the legal standpoint holds little water when it comes from people that mame (especially those that have full mame collections), I do get the whole matter of principle thing. Maybe this distinction is made to make romers (those that collect roms) feel better about their actions and hobbie? But I get it... Someone dumped those pcbs as a free service (funded by donations), and mame and mala were also meant as free services. Selling it and making money off of a project that someone started as a free service is a bit sneaky and underhanded. So this is an argument should be about morals rather than legality. I don't think either side is in a position where they can claim one thing is more legal than another. At the same time I have to admit that what a lot of us do is also not legal, but morally it's not as disturbing since most of these roms are not making profit in our current market (and in fact companies may not complain because they do use the source code for their collections), people who want to build an arcade have no other means to acquire said roms, and it doesn't harm the mainstream market. After all if people can't find an app to do it for them they usually don't have the time or patience to setup software and search websites anymore. |
| CheffoJeffo:
As I said, the legal aspects are pretty much black and white ... the argument is entirely about morality. |
| Ginsu Victim:
Yeah, totally about the moral issue of selling it versus merely downloading it. I have no problem with it being illegal to have them (I have a massive collection of burned games and movies, but I'd never sell them. Matter of fact, I went off on my cousin when I found out that he makes money on the side by burning copies of the newest releases and selling them at work!). |
| mmb:
--- Quote from: nitz on August 29, 2010, 08:26:01 pm ---+1 I've never understood why people who download their roms from a torrent, meaning that you're sharing them as well (ie, giving roms to people) get angry when someone sells DVDs of the roms, but ONLY charges enough to cover the discs, shipping, and maybe a few dollars for his time (ie, giving roms to people). It's the same thing, only the medium is different. --- End quote --- If you're charging labor in the equation, then you're charging for a product, not just to ship it. That you're only charging a "little" doesn't matter. That he values his time so little doesn't change the fact that there is a charge. If you're giving something away, give it away. Send a Self Address Stamped mailer to BLAH BLAH BLAH with X number of blanks and I'll burn and send it back *might* pass the sniff test, but mostly this just stinks. |
| Rick:
--- Quote from: mmb on August 30, 2010, 12:21:08 pm ---If you're charging labor in the equation, then you're charging for a product, not just to ship it. That you're only charging a "little" doesn't matter. That he values his time so little doesn't change the fact that there is a charge. --- End quote --- Not if you call it a 'service'. That's how a lot of people get around legalities. Or at least, tell themselves they got around it. "Oh, I'm not charging for the software on the discs. Oh, no. That's illegal. I'm charging a 'service fee' for the amount of time I spent actually putting 'stuff' onto the discs themselves, as well as my time to go to the mailbox and send this to you." Dammit. How the hell did I get into this now? :P |
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