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CheffoJeffo:
Dude, your quote-fu completely sucks! It's like reading one of Xiaou's posts! :dizzy:
;)
And, I think what Ginsu was saying, since he was agreeing with me, was that the seller was explicitly stating that these are legal copies, which completely misleads the buyer. That is exactly the problem that I have with the guy -- I don't care much otherwise.
pinballwizard79:
Dude I hear you cheffo, I almost put a Xiaou warning header in front of it all lol ;D Decided not to because I feared it would result in a mile long post about ninja stars, Stern pinball & CRT's.
I have no beef with Ginsu or Dash by the way, hopefully I dont appear to be too much of a tool. I just like the DVD people, a lot. No I am not one of them but I appreciate what they do.
My arcade is broke right now & I have nothing better to do but hate on those who have one thats working :cheers:
Ginsu Victim:
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Didn't think so, it's cool. The post of mine you quoted had to do with the guy lying about owning the rights to the games and saying not to report him to ebay because he's done nothing wrong. That's ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.
"Note to Ebay:
THIS DISC IS NOT AN UNAUTHORIZED COPY. THE COPYRIGHT OF THE CONTENT IS EITHER OWNED BY THE SELLER, OR HAS BEEN FULLY AUTHORISED FOR USE/REPRODUCTION/SALE BY THE COPYRIGHT OWNER, OR IT IS FREELY AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. THE SALE OF THIS ITEM BY SELLER DOES NOT COMMIT ANY BREACH OF COPYRIGHT OWNERSHIP OR COPY REGULATIONS, IT THEREFORE COMPLIES FULLY WITH ALL OF EBAY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS "
nitz:
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--- Quote from: pinballwizard79 on August 29, 2010, 02:53:01 pm ---So you guys think its morally "ok" to steal something as long as you dont sell it or give it away right?
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Moral schmoral. Both are wrong, but one is "more wrong". And the ---uvula--- is saying in his auctions its legal. Oh please explain to me how that ok?
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It's definitely not legal of course. But when it comes to the moral thing, it gets to be more a matter of opinion. Your opinion is that it's more wrong to sell than to give away. That's perfectly fine. My opinion is, that it's no more wrong to sell for a fairly insignificant amount of money to cover time to burn and mail discs than it is to give away. I would say that it is more wrong to charge a ton of money because then you are basically fishing for someone who doesn't know much about this stuff with the aim of taking them for a ride.
--- Quote from: mmb on August 30, 2010, 12:21:08 pm ---If you're charging labor in the equation, then you're charging for a product, not just to ship it. That you're only charging a "little" doesn't matter. That he values his time so little doesn't change the fact that there is a charge.
If you're giving something away, give it away. Send a Self Address Stamped mailer to BLAH BLAH BLAH with X number of blanks and I'll burn and send it back *might* pass the sniff test, but mostly this just stinks.
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I agree with you that if you're charging labor in the equation, then you're charging for a product, not just to ship it. I agree with that from a legal standpoint. To use your own example, a drug mule who says they simply provide a delivery service is full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and there's obviously no way that argument would ever hold up in court. ;) But from a moral standpoint, I have no issue with someone charging a few bucks for burning and shipping roms. Maybe you do and that's fine. But if I were going to burn DVDs, package them up, get the person's address on the package, go to the post office, probably stand in line for 10 minutes, and then come home, all for a relative stranger, well, you can bet I would want a few bucks for that. For the record, I've never sold rom DVDs, nor would I. I really value my free time, and for what I would have to charge to make it worthwhile for me, I would be stepping into the area where I feel I'm ripping people off, and I don't want to do that.
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on August 30, 2010, 06:01:41 pm ---OTOH, I was very unhappy when D2K was added to Misfit MAME and also rather unhappy when a poster here complained about D2K to Nintendo.
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I can't even imagine why a poster on here, who likely has roms, would choose this to take a stand on and complain to Nintendo. That's just plain silly. But as far as it being added to misfitmame...meh. If it was an original game, I would totally be with you, but it's a hack using code, characters, graphics, and sound he does not own. It is a very very good hack, but it's still a hack. I can't say I feel bad if it being added to misfitmame cost him a few sales.
--- Quote from: Turnarcades on August 30, 2010, 10:02:05 pm ---I got bad deja-vu. I get it every 3 months or so when us old farts get a bit defensive against the latest wave of noobs about the old MAME/discs chestnut.
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I'm a relatively new poster, but I've been hanging out here for a couple years and have gone through a lot of threads from even before that. So I know this topic is old hat, but I feel getting into it is part of my initiation into the forum. ;D After this one, I doubt I'll get into another one like this again.
--- Quote from: pinballwizard79 on August 30, 2010, 10:03:13 pm ---DashRendar: Bringing MAME/ROMS into the spotlight, which can draw attention from the copyright holders and law enforcement to start cracking down on it. PW79: Um you mean like a forum full of people showing off their arcades or companies like dream authentics giving a machine to Hugh Heffner or youtube videos, or front ends that are awesome (psst HS) or companies like GGG/Ultimarc. The root of all MAME evil is prob the chrome joystick or custom artwork, they are the shiny beacon of MAME! I am sure however you learned about this whole emulation thing must have been via a catastrophic & epic breach of arcade club silence.
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Agreed. This stuff probably draws more attention to mame than anything else. And when you think about it, most of these rom sellers probably wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the mame cab scene.
--- Quote from: pinballwizard79 on August 30, 2010, 10:03:13 pm ---Wait are we all guilty of being trolls in this thread? Why are we arguing with our arcade peers....FML lets all just get along, download files, seed torrents & trade DVD's eating chicken nuggets drunk & overclocking our CPU's for Cruisn USA. Enough of this ;D
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Also agreed! And I certainly have no beef with anyone here either! :cheers: And I think I'm done posting in this thread now...unless of course someone says something that I just have to add my 2 cents to. :D
bradx:
--- Quote from: tommyinajar on August 27, 2010, 10:41:33 am ---
I wonder how many more people would get back in to arcade games, if they didn't have to setup Mame, Mala, Clrmame, U-torrent, find and D/l Roms- You have to admit that's a bit to chew off for casual, computer illiterates.
Just sayin'
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maybe enough that copyright holders would start thinking they are losing out on potential revenue and start enforcing their copyrights. maybe more than most mamers would like. maybe the whole point is to keep it from the casual computer illiterates!