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Xiaou2:
BTW - I have to laugh at Deluca.  (along with everyone else)

 What kind of IDIOT launches a SikdeKick as an initial bridge! (the slowest and
easiest to read!) The Grappler was using a narrow stance, well covered, and agile with
the lead leg.  He had no target!   Then, he does the same thing 3 times in a row.. as if
somehow the BJJ guy was not gona catch on.  lol

 High & Round kicking is the worst thing you can do against a grappler.  Round kicks are
slower, and easier to see the windup (telegraph), and also easier to deflect. 

 A side stance is also not smart, as you are half way to giving your back away...
and have no defense / offense  on the entire side.

 The grappler isnt completely dumb.  He used a WC principle, where the weight is on
the rear hip... leaving the lead leg fast as lightning to move and intercept.
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 This is why One-Step sparring/fighting fails.  Its rare you are going to Time a shot and
land it against a smart op.   In order to land, you have to have cleared the defenses
FIRST. 
 
 Even IF he chose to use a different higher-percentage strike to commit with... its always
high risk. (counters / Blocks / Parries / Absorbs ...etc.)

 Intelligent interception is where the advantage comes from... and Jason has none of
that here.  He has not learned any depth of real Kungfu.

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---Overall I belive one on one, the grappler is superior to the striker though.
--- End quote ---

 You can believe whatever you want.  That does not make anything more or less
true.

 Grappling serves a purpose.  Its in almost all Kungfu styles.   But the Chinese systems
dont instruct the Students to DIVE in and grab.. hoping that the student will be
lucky enough not to suffer a serious or fatal blow.

 If you were trying to break into a Guarded Castle...  would you just pole vault over
the wall Hoping to score entry without getting Speared/Arrowed  on the way in?
Its Lunacy.

 Chinese arts have found, thru Real combat / war, and countless man hours of
practice and study... that you need to account for all ranges properly and safely.

 In order to get good at all ranges... you will need to learn & perfect a LOT more.
This takes longer, but can and does produce a Superior fighter.

 IF BJJ was the best in real combat, the Chinese would have found that out
a millenia ago.  Same for Chi-Na and other Grappling inside of Kungfu.  You cant
grapple without entering dangerous waters... and without excellent entry
and defense, those people were injured or killed.

 If I teach someone to defend themselves... the first thing they are going to
learn besides the foundational stuff... is to actually be able to survive attacks
safely. Re-Direction, Parrys, Absorbs, blocks..etc.   Because if you have a crappy
defense, your offense isnt going to mean crap.

 This is exactly why you see top level Pro MMA fighters getting knocked out by
Rookie fighters.  They have great grapple skill, but the Worst defense skills hands
down.  If they reverse the order of operations... they might actually start getting
somewhere.

Xiaou2:

--- Quote --- i think it has to do with the user.
--- End quote ---

 In a lot of cases "Yes".  But here is the deal.. You can give someone a spoon to dig
with ... or a shovel.   The guy with the shovel will have a definite advantage.
If the guy with the spoon is lightning fast, and the shovel dude is slow & weak..
the spoon man may win.  But give the spoon man the shovel, and he will Advance even
more.

 The spoon / shovel  relating to Tools.  And Tools, relating to actual moves and methods
within each art.  There are superior tools and ways of doing things.

 Plain and Simple, a Boxer could beat a Kungfu man... but if you give that Boxer
kungfu lessons, his skills as a fighter will be increased.


--- Quote ---  Also i dont think it would be smart to use it on the streets because the person you may be confronting may have a few friends on the side that will blind side you when your wrestling on the ground.
--- End quote ---


 Exactly.  That is why ground work is considered a Last Resort.  You cant move
well on the ground, and multiples will mess you up.  You need to be good on your
feet... and that requires very good defensive & offensive skills.. along with solid
footwork and stability.  Its easy to dump someone..  or to dive to the ground... but
a whole other level of skill to remain standing, while taking on high pressure
situations effectively.

 Also, the reality of the ground is that it may happen over rough concrete or pavement.
You can Easily chip your own hip bone while trying to take someone to the ground...
or merely by rolling around on that ground.   There could also be sharp glass, large
rocks, or other dangerous items to fall / roll on (or be piked up).
 
 Btw - I got deflected slightly & landed off the mat fighting a Capoera guy once,
landing lightly on my hip side.  It was so painful, that after I was able to stand back up.. I
 could not raise my leg more than 3 inchs off the floor without severe unbearable pain... 
which is one more reason why I know the dangers of hard ground.


--- Quote --- I do belive that it is a full art though, because of the combination's and the endless transitions.
--- End quote ---
 

 Its a sub-set of fighting.  Ground Fighting is one aspect of a fight.
A full art has nearly all ranges and aspects of combat within it.  From standing, offense,
defense, grappling, weapons..etc.

 Wing Chun itself is actually a Reduced art.  It was formed by taking Some of the
best techs and removing almost all else.  They did this, because they didnt have
20 yrs to develop rebel fighters.  They made it so you could learn and perfect in about
5yrs tops.  Its fairly complete for its purpose (to kill rather than submit the enemy)
 .. but even its  lacking in certain aspects. 


--- Quote ---because of the combination's and the endless transitions
--- End quote ---

 This says nothing about ranges of combat.  Only about the way things work on the
ground.   In Wing Chun, they have a drill called Chi Sao.  Its where 2 people touch
wrist points, and roll back and forth.  As they do this, each person is feeling the
structure for any weaknesses... or will create stress to provoke weaknesses. They
will then react in ways to take advantage of this, and go for strikes.  Its both attack
and defense in nature.  However... Chi Sao,  while endless in possible transitions
and combination's, is only a drill or sub-set of WingChun.   Even though it
translates to real fighting, its still not a complete art.. only a part, ...or part of
fighting.

Malenko:
do not feed the Xiaou2!


Thannk you Douch-Fu Master for derailing yet another thread. This WAS a respect thread to Sho Kosugi and now its a 15% deathstop thread about you.

NiN^_^NiN:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 12, 2010, 03:59:35 am ---
 Have you seen fist and guts?   There are some really cool scenes in there... like when
two were trying to steal the same object in a gaurded house.  Every time they would hit
each other... they would put their hand over the guys mouth so that the Yell would be
silenced :)   They also were battleing each other while constantly trying to get the
package from each other...  and finally, keep things from knocking over (catching
falling cups and things with their feet for example).


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I can't find a copy of it locally and the *cough* online sources don't have enough people

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