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Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---He's trained under the best
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Really?! Mere Opinion.
--- Quote ---Kung-Fu while effective when fighting was fair, are pretty useless in todays no holds barred bar fight.
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Bwahaha!
First off "Which" Kungfu? Theres:
Mantis
Eagle Claw
Shaolin (20 yrs worth of material)
Tai Chi (several versions)
Wing Chun (Close range combat)
Shuai Jiao (Chinese Wrestling)
Animal Styles: Dragon, Snake, Crane, Tiger, Leopard (others)
Chi Na (grappling / locks)
And about 2000 other varients.
--- Quote ---because styles that relied on kick, punch, distance, and timing where no match for most grappling styles.
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LOL.
Such Ignorance. Almost all Kungfu have Grappling in it. Something like Eagle Claw is
Full of Superior Grappling techs. Chi Na is an entire system of grappling.
But me, I do Wing Chun. WC doesnt hold on to any limb for more than a split second
in most cases. Its more about knocking the guy out, breaking limbs, vital strikes.
As for your comment about strikers -vs- grapplers.. its completely untrue / flawed.
As of this date Ive knocked out 2 high level Jujitsu fighters when they tried to enter
in range to grapple me. Ive nearly broken a KookSulWan (basically TaeKwando)
fighters knee when he tried to rush in and strike me... with one single Stomp Kick,
in 1 second flat. He lay crying in tears on the ground for 6min, and didnt fully recover
for a month time... and I only put about 15% power into it. (he was also double my mass)
The plain and simple fact is that in order for anyone to get close enough to grab
you... they have to step in range of a strike. Many grapplers have little tricks and
faints they use to get a person to react poorly so they can rush in. It dont work
on a good fighter. But you wont see good fighters play games on tv. In fact, most
wont even spar, because like myself, have injured someone bad at least once, when
losing temper control to Prove something.
Anyone who spars a WC guy will walk away thinking it was easy, and WC was crap.
Why? Because the WC fighter isnt going to use a stomp kick to spar. He will change
it to a 'Stop' kick only. He wont unleash Fajin power of his punch. He wont slam his
elbow into your temple. Hes being nice... and as a result, he will look bad... and you
will be just as ignorant as ever. Its pretty much the same with most of these
styles.
In fact, you are also completely wrong about 'Fair', as well. Kungfu has Dirty / Nasty
tricks. Making you think something is open... only to Screw you up if you go for the
bait. Its probably the most dirty fighting Ive seen in any style... and I know a lot more
than Kungfu. Its also Vicious. My buddy described a Tiger sequence, where the first
hits were to set the Ops jaw in just the right angle, so the 3rd hit would take it clear
off its hinge. Another Tiger guy told me that one of their training methods is to
have to rip a garden hose out from under Carpet that is fixed to a board. The stuff is
no joke. (Me? I train my low stomp kicks on 4" diameter metal poles... and my punch
on a hanging bag filled with metal bb's.)
If you think you are gona rush into a good fighter without getting seriously injured,
you are the biggest fool on the Planet. It just so happens that there are a lot
of Crappy fighters out there... but you meet the right one, and he will nail you every
time... and you will be lucky if you ever wake up again, if you were actually serious
about harming them.
--- Quote ---With his method you could counter most anything no matter what angle the knife was coming from
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Ive met knife fighter instructors. You know what the guy said "If you see a knife, RUN".
He also happens to work in a hospital, where he sees knife wounds constantly.
The best knife fighter, will usually fail. Most All the knife defense crap is a joke. Your
better off using a jacket / pants than to counter hand to hand. One slice & its game over,
cause you will bleed to death before you make it to emergency.
--- Quote --- you could counter most anything
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That right there tells you something. The guy just rewrote his ideas.. and now he
Thinks hes perfected something. Ill bet he will be re-writing the book again. The guy
may have all the good intentions... but he has as much knowledge and experience as
a drop of water in the ocean.
Imagine, this man has never seen / fought in wars, constantly fighting off bandits.
He hasnt been training 8hrs a day, 7 days a week since hes 5. In his entire short
life, he thinks he has mastered things... and yet, compared to 2000yrs of development?
Imagine how many lives and man-hours went into developing Shaolin Knowledge?!
Let alone the many other variants.
I can tell you that I myself have been pretty Ignorant in my past, so I can
understand. What we do not experience for ourselves, we tend to write off.
But reality will set in quickly, if he ever runs into the real deal... such as I have.
BTW - I too have fought against almost every style. The hardest ones to fight
have been the good Kungfu stylist. I used to spar at least once a week,
(trained every day, night & day) and attended many open-house sparring events
at local schools. Each event had 1hr of nearly non-stop sparring. 3 min rounds,
30 sec switch partners.
jamesjones626:
Didn't the Gracie family destroy a bunch of kung fu, kempo, karate, and other martial art masters?
jamesjones626:
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---Didn't the Gracie family destroy a bunch of kung fu, kempo, karate, and other martial art masters?
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The Gracies chose a bunch of amateurs who didnt have any game. One guy,
Jason Delucia (video above), was supposedly a Kungfu master. What a Joke! The guy
was taught a bunch of BS that was not even close to combat kungfu. Basically, he was a
kickboxer, and a bad one at that.
The Gracies wont step up and take on anyone they know is of high caliber, cause they
are smart. It was all a dog and pony show, to lead the mindless sheep.
In fact, the gracies went on a joint venture with a Wing Chun teacher, doing
dual seminars. They were trying to learn some Wing Chun... but I dont think they
had the patience for it.
I also believe they were the ones who help put together the UFC. Again, creating
a system which gave them an advantage in the ring.. and having amateurs who have
little real experience in a ring.
Not to mention, Gracies have NOTHING for Multiple attackers. No weapons, or
anti-weapon stuff.
According to little things I read, they basically took the stuff from a certain version of
Jujitsu. I dont know how accurate it is.. but its probably true.
In addition to my own experience Knocking out grapplers, Ive heard reports from one
of my teachers that one of the bigger names in WC was on a military base, and some
guy was trash talking about how BJJ could destroy every art. The WC guy asked the
BJJ guy if he wanted to prove it. He was shaken, but accepted... and BJJ got Stomped.
BJJ isnt an answer. Its not even a Full art. Its mostly a bag of BS. And if you try and
use that crap on the streets, you will be lucky to survive.
jamesjones626:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 14, 2010, 04:33:46 pm ---
--- Quote ---Didn't the Gracie family destroy a bunch of kung fu, kempo, karate, and other martial art masters?
--- End quote ---
The Gracies chose a bunch of amateurs who didnt have any game. One guy,
Jason Delucia (video above), was supposedly a Kungfu master. What a Joke! The guy
was taught a bunch of BS that was not even close to combat kungfu. Basically, he was a
kickboxer, and a bad one at that.
The Gracies wont step up and take on anyone they know is of high caliber, cause they
are smart. It was all a dog and pony show, to lead the mindless sheep.
In fact, the gracies went on a joint venture with a Wing Chun teacher, doing
dual seminars. They were trying to learn some Wing Chun... but I dont think they
had the patience for it.
I also believe they were the ones who help put together the UFC. Again, creating
a system which gave them an advantage in the ring.. and having amateurs who have
little real experience in a ring.
Not to mention, Gracies have NOTHING for Multiple attackers. No weapons, or
anti-weapon stuff.
According to little things I read, they basically took the stuff from a certain version of
Jujitsu. I dont know how accurate it is.. but its probably true.
In addition to my own experience Knocking out grapplers, Ive heard reports from one
of my teachers that one of the bigger names in WC was on a military base, and some
guy was trash talking about how BJJ could destroy every art. The WC guy asked the
BJJ guy if he wanted to prove it. He was shaken, but accepted... and BJJ got Stomped.
BJJ isnt an answer. Its not even a Full art. Its mostly a bag of BS. And if you try and
use that crap on the streets, you will be lucky to survive.
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I do agree with you on a few points, one being BJJ cannot stomp every art. In my opinion i don't belive one art can stomp all, i think it has to do with the user. Also i dont think it would be smart to use it on the streets because the person you may be confronting may have a few friends on the side that will blind side you when your wrestling on the ground. I do belive that it is a full art though, because of the combinations and the endless transitions. Overall I belive one on one, the grappler is superior to the striker though.
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