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Havok:
Best Kung Fu scene ever:
Ginsu Victim:
I'm a big fan of Jackie Chan vs Benny "The Jet" Urquidez in Wheels on Meals. The movie itself isn't that great, but this fight at the end is awesome.
eds1275:
Revenge of the Ninjas' playground fight scene is without a doubt one of the most entertaining fight scenes ever. Stupid, ridiculous, hilarious, and they integrated the playground equipment nicely.
Xiaou2:
The meals on wheels scene is a classic.
Jackie is fighting Benny "The Jet" Urquidez in that scene. (A pro kickboxer)
I believe Ive heard that Benny got a little too rough with Chan, and Chan got fed
up and outright asked him if he wanted to Fight right there on the spot.
--- Quote ---is more realistic than the timed sequences of the older Kung Fu movies.
--- End quote ---
The thing is, there are and were people who fought Like those films. The only
difference is that there is no 'beat-pauses'. If you can see past the beat pauses,
you can glean much more depth of combat... and actually learn some interesting
techniques. Stuff that you will never see a guy like Sho, Van Damn, etc.. do.
Real good fighters play like a chess game. One guy I sparred had about 7 various
styles under his belt. From memory: JKD, some Wing Chun, TKD, Shaun Fa, Shaolin
5 Animal styles, Mantis, and much more. He would do things like intentionally leave
his chest wide open as bait. If you were dumb enough to hit him there, he had
the counter immediately. If you went to the side... he had the responses for that too,
and advantage of leverages & timing. He could adapt on the fly as well... but all the
while, he was 3 moves ahead in-between things.
I couldnt seem to get in, and when I tried to use my superior speed or to reach in... I
barely touched him, and he would counter and send me flying across the mat from his
solid rooted strikes.
I later would realize my errors. One was that I was too used to fighting people
who were not on this level. I was too Impatient, expecting to gain advantages
easily and immediately because of this. I started to go outside the rules of my system,
reaching for hits... which compromised my structure / stability / leverage.. and he
immediately took great advantage of that time after vicious time. I thought that
if I used my faster speed, I could blow past his ability to trap/redirect me. Wrong.
His moves were always in the right places to gain leverages.. so no matter how
fast I was, I always was at a loss... and now closer to him for him to do damage on.
He also went into full on Traditional Kungfu modes.. in Arrow & horse stances at times.
I never thought that stuff would Ever have a change of working in a high speed &
pressured situations. Again I would be proven wrong. He could move in and out
of various stances quickly... as well as launching Nasty counters while in the process.
There was a lot of tricks/traps/pitfalls in those moves... basically setting you up for the kill.
(getting you to try to attack them in some way because you Think they cant possibly
move fast enough, or have a weakness in some way. They barely move, and now you are
perfect range for them to attack... while you are not)
Painful as it was, after Sparring with him for an hour, it made me a 100x better as a
fighter.
When you spar someone like that, you start to realize just how serious those old
Kungfu fighters were. They trained and fought most hours of their days, their skills
and techniques perfected, and deep as the ocean... Landing single hits on them would
be no quick and easy task.
You then go back to the old movies... and you start to see things as if they were
sped up and real... and can see the cunning and reasons behind the chosen moves.
Blocks, Redirect, counters, anti-counters, Absorbs, Joint locks, Lock Escapes,
Anti-Escape moves, Grapple Counters, Grapple Anti-Counters, Kicks, Sweeps,
Absorbing Kick, Redirecting Kick, Anti-Sweep kick, and so much more.
Most people are familiar with one dimensional "One-Step" fighting, so they just may
never understand what is being shown. One step is basically: Step in and attack when
there is a moment of timing... and if stopped, retreat. But this method relies mostly on
speed or brute crashing force. Some Traditional Kungfu uses this too, but, in addition,
they use sticking (feeling what the ops intent is by touching & sticking gently to the
limbs), bridge destruction (using/creating advantages of leverage to gain advantage to
advance close without harm), Setups (make the op react to a half-range punch. when
they try to intercept it.. you then have a bridge with them, and can use this to grab,trap,
redirect, stick, etc.) There is far too much more to mention in this post... so Ill stop there.
GalagaFan74:
All I'm saying is in today's world of MMA Kung Fu fighters have no chance. I always take an oppurtunity to talk with our Def. Tactics trainer at the prison I work at. He's trained under the best, and trained in most of the major fighting styles. He began concentrating on Krav Maga, Brazillian Jujitsu, and Muy Thai early on because styles that relied on kick, punch, distance, and timing where no match for most grappling styles. He even rewrote the Division's Def. Tac. training because the old style was based off various holds from Tae Kwon Do, where the attacker had to do a certain thing for the hold to be effective, ie. perfect world situations. With his method you could counter most anything no matter what angle the knife was coming from, or where the person was charging from. Karate, Tae Kwon Do, and Kung-Fu while effective when fighting was fair, are pretty useless in todays no holds barred bar fight.
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