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manman:
I'm struggling to find the the post were I wrote "listen up chumps- I am an expert of arcades and street fighter is the only good game to ever come out!"

if you want to say sfII killed the arcade, more power to you I guess.  I've made my point, and there are many references that back up what I've said.  If someone wants to make an argument that if SF had never come out (and something else were to have revived the arcade scene?) that it would have lasted much longer- I guess that could be argued.  And I'd love to have that argument, but it probably doesn't belong in this thread.  But I don't think theres really any way to argue at the very least that arcades weren't almost dead before it's arrival, and that it and other fighting games didn't create a new wave of success for the arcades.  I think you have to be pretty delusional to refute that, but hey whatever.

But what Havok said clearly shows he doesn't have much more than a superficial knowledge of fighting games.  Unless he's just fudging the list to make it longer for his point, even with a mediocre knowledge he'd know that games like the zero and alpha series, turbo/x etc are  the same game from different regions.  A little more than that and he'd know how different a game that seems the same from cursory inspection or play actually are when played at a higher level.  But I don't expect him to know or even care about any of that, because he has no interest in it.  that makes complete sense.  What doesn't make sense is bashing on it WITHOUT that knowledge,  because your reasoning ends up being flat out wrong.   If you read my posts, I've never said anything about me being an expert on arcades, games from one era being any better than another's or any of that.  All I've basically said is 1)  Whether or not you personally like/value a game it shouldn't stop you from understanding the value other see in it, or realizing that it takes skill just like the games you enjoy, and 2) similarly I don't see the need to bash on one era just to validate your own enjoyment of the era you liked.


--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on May 25, 2010, 05:49:00 pm ---Maybe I missed some posts, but there is nothing in this thread that hasn't been said before and EVERY time somebody points out SF2, someone who hasn't read the previous eleventy discussions on the topic jumps on the bait, freaks out, says a bunch of things that are often wrong when all they need to say is -- "you know what, I really like SF2 and appreciate the subtle differences between versions".

But no, you guys have got to go all genesim on it.

 >:D

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I don't know, maybe the reason there is such a disparity is because those that play the games realize in most cases the differences aren't subtle (or the gameplay they result in isn't), and those that don't don't.  Instead what probably should be said is "hey, I don't play the game or know it that well, so I can't really speak on it".  Same reason you don't hear me commenting on golden era games, because I know that just because I've played them or been in arcades where people have played them- doesn't mean I really know them.

I get it though- enjoying or defending a genre/players that weren't part of the golden age from being bashed with broad generalizations rooted in ignorance is not welcome around here.  Sorry for breaking your cardinal rule.

what I mean to say was "the golden era is the only actual era that ever existed in the history of arace gaming.  Any other game that ever came out after never caused more people to enter an arcade, and in fact caused the death of the arcades that were already dead- and also required absolutely no skill to play."

There you go :)
Havok:
My point of the list was just an example - it wasn't meant to be definitive.  The point is, even if you cut it in half, it's too much. Fighter game after fighter game after fighter game was released. That's what I was trying to say, and you apparently missed it. You can pretty it up all you want with your "nuances" of each game, but let's face it - they're damn similar. Too similar. Done to death. If I really wanted to list by region I would be listing over 169 Street Fighter Titles. (Europe, Asia, USA, etc.) That's just Street Fighter!

I was around for all of it - and did play SF, MK, KOF, etc. You seem to think I don't have any experience there. As far as knowing the games, actually I do. I was the local champion in Street Fighter 2 back in the day for my arcade, and my brother in law (who at the time was my girlfriend's brother) was a regional champion. In fact, he still loves the fighters to this day and I would hazard a guess that he could probably wax you in a game - he's really that freaking good.
CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:07:52 pm ---I'm struggling to find the the post were I wrote "listen up chumps- I am an expert of arcades and street fighter is the only good game to ever come out!"

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There are a few instances, but this one was pretty close ...


--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 04:54:42 pm ---lol.  the funny thing about you is that you are trying to argue something you seem to know nothing about, other than what you can copy/paste from another site.

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 ::)


--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:07:52 pm ---if you want to say sfII killed the arcade, more power to you I guess.  I've made my point, and there are many references that back up what I've said.  If someone wants to make an argument that if SF had never come out (and something else were to have revived the arcade scene?) that it would have lasted much longer- I guess that could be argued.  And I'd love to have that argument, but it probably doesn't belong in this thread.  But I don't think theres really any way to argue at the very least that arcades weren't almost dead before it's arrival, and that it and other fighting games didn't create a new wave of success for the arcades.  I think you have to be pretty delusional to refute that, but hey whatever.

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Yes, but you fail to recognize that people like me have already seen all of that documentation. You seem to think that everybody else is ignorant on the subject. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I have seen pretty much every single piece of documentary footage ever made about arcades (including a number who cite the same resurgence that you do) and that I read more on the subject than most people.

Arcades were dying and the changes to the industry that came about from the tunnelvisioned attempts to capture the quarters of teenaged boys with fighter games killed the business model and remaining culture to the point that there was absolutely no way back.

Would arcades have died anyway ? Yep, probably ... but we might have gotten a few more years of creativity out of it first.


--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:07:52 pm ---I get it though- enjoying or defending a genre/players that weren't part of the golden age from being bashed with broad generalizations rooted in ignorance is not welcome around here.  Sorry for breaking your cardinal rule.
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And there is another genesimism -- take a comment about the effect of a game series on the industry and twist it into being bashed to defend something else. Do you even know how I voted in the poll ? I can disagree with you about the effect that SF2 had on arcades and still not be an SF hater. I'll even bet that I have owned more SF variants than you have.

Take a deep breath and understand the points that are being made. Understand that they are about a game and not about you personally.

Otherwise you are going to flame out.

 :cheers:
manman:
well, to start out that first comparison you tried to make... what?  How does saying he knows nothing about fighting games equal to saying "I am an expert of arcades and street fighter is the only good game to ever come out!"  Not even close, haha.  I gave several examples to back up how he's showed he has a superficial knowledge of arcade games, and he hasn't yet responded to any of that (nor have you) to show any different.  But even if he had, those are still two wildly different statements.


I think you are misreading what I'm talking about when I say bashing on a game or players.  I'm not talking about having a different opinion on when arcades started dying out, or whether or not the game brought people back- its' more things like trying to stay the games take no skill or are all exactly the same, etc.  Basically just overall finding reasons to discount the games even without having much knowledge on them or the culture of players.

And arguing that you've owned more variations than I have... well.. i'd be willing to bet it's untrue, but I don't see how that even proves anything, haha.  You seem to equate owning something with knowing something about it.  You could own every street fighter game ever created but if you had never played them on more than a casual level you'd probably know a lot less than someone who put the time in on a few of them to get very good at them.  Still... totally unrelated to what has actually been said in the thread...

I don't really take any of this personally, I guess it's just kind of funny and hard to believe that people can so adamantly dismiss something they don't know anything about and refuse to admit it.  You're right, though I should give up and just realize that there's nothing you can do in that case since it's a willful decision.  Trust me, I've been in plenty of forums where having a different opinion than the majority or 'senior' members means you're opinion is automatically wrong/flaming/ or otherwise invalid regardless of any kind of logic or fact, so i'm not that worried about it, haha.
CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:47:25 pm ---And arguing that you've owned more variations than I have... well.. i'd be willing to bet it's untrue, but I don't see how that even proves anything, haha.  You seem to equate owning something with knowing something about it.  You could own every street fighter game ever created but if you had never played them on more than a casual level you'd probably know a lot less than someone who put the time in on a few of them to get very good at them.  Still... totally unrelated to what has actually been said in the thread...

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The point there was that *you* are claiming that havok and I are hating on SF ... why the hell would I have SF cabinets in my home if I hated the game ?

I have NO problem saying that I know less about the different flavours of SF than you do. You could kick ---my bottom--- at SF.

Where I think I have the advantage in making my argument is more experience with the arcade phenomenon. I know what happened during the different eras. I know what the arcades were like.

Nothing about being good at Street Fighter Eleventy Purple Teletubby Edition  >:D gives you any credibility when it comes to your contention that SF was the second coming of Jesus for the arcade world.

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