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manman:
well, when you say "you guys", please don't lump me in with things like claiming you said fighting games killed the golden era, or saying you guys were clinging to the era and couldn't evolve.  I knew exactly how you'd respond when I read that because obviously you never said that, and I don't agree.  And like I said before a lot of what I was saying until you responded to me was never directed at you.  When you were making the argument about whether or not SFII caused a resurgence or how it was for the game industry I disagreed, but still thought it was fine to have that argument.  That was never where I got the "bashing" on sf thing.  If I DID take some of havok's posts out of context or misread them then I'm sorry, but when someone says something like "a tired, worn out game genre", i mean...that's not arguing a point, that's just trying to disparage something.  So I appologize for anything I did misread, but like I said- I don't think I COMPLETELY fabricated some of the points I thought were being made against the game/genre itself.  Anyway I'll check out the thread you posted, but I think we've all made our points... I'm not going to jump into that thread too, haha.
Havok:

--- Quote from: manman on May 26, 2010, 11:52:27 am ---well, when you say "you guys", please don't lump me in with things like claiming you said fighting games killed the golden era, or saying you guys were clinging to the era and couldn't evolve.  I knew exactly how you'd respond when I read that because obviously you never said that, and I don't agree.  And like I said before a lot of what I was saying until you responded to me was never directed at you.  When you were making the argument about whether or not SFII caused a resurgence or how it was for the game industry I disagreed, but still thought it was fine to have that argument.  That was never where I got the "bashing" on sf thing.  If I DID take some of havok's posts out of context or misread them then I'm sorry, but when someone says something like "a tired, worn out game genre", i mean...that's not arguing a point, that's just trying to disparage something.  So I appologize for anything I did misread, but like I said- I don't think I COMPLETELY fabricated some of the points I thought were being made against the game/genre itself.  Anyway I'll check out the thread you posted, but I think we've all made our points... I'm not going to jump into that thread too, haha.

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Let's get another thing straight - I do like fighter games too, however let's also be honest; there is little to none in the innovation department when it comes to the eleventy bazzilionth version that gets released. That's the thing you guys are missing, and it's what Smeghead just posted. Back then you'd walk into the arcade, and blam! something entirely new and amazing. Some totally cool game concept never seen before. You just don't get that with Street Fighter Alpha X, Part 17 Turbo Grand Master Tournament Hyper Warrior's Dream Edition.

And Cheffo is right - it is a flighty niche market. How many of kagaden's tournaments play the original Street Fighter? I'm thinking zero. Fighter fanboys are always looking for a new fix. And that's where the console really kicks the crap out of the arcade, especially today. Operators will never get back back what a new machine costs before the customers tire of the game.
manman:
Actually quite a few of those tournaments still feature games from that era.  Super turbo, marvel vs capcom 2, cvs2, third strike etc.  There is where I'm talking about speaking on something without knowing about it.  Casual players of any game have always been fickle, but the tournament scene is the wrong place to look when you're trying to prove flighty, haha.

As for variations in the different series- again, unless you played at anything more than surface level it's a pointless argument.  guys who didn't will continue to say they are the same, guys who did will continue to say not by a long shot. but I DO agree that it made an environment where OTHER developers weren't innovating with different types of games than those.  I think there are a lot of other factors in addition to the popularity of fighting games, but that's a different conversation
Havok:

--- Quote from: manman on May 26, 2010, 01:04:23 pm ---Actually quite a few of those tournaments still feature games from that era.  Super turbo, marvel vs capcom 2, cvs2, third strike etc.  There is where I'm talking about speaking on something without knowing about it.  Casual players of any game have always been fickle, but the tournament scene is the wrong place to look when you're trying to prove flighty, haha

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Why do you think I chose the original Street Fighter in my statement? I do know what I'm talking about - I would never have said 2, or Turbo as I know there are many diehards with those. Normally the first original game with the golden age is good forever. The later versions are many times shunned. You don't see that with the fighter crowd, hence the flighty aspect.

It's a shame you guys haven't experienced the older eras, then you'd have a better perspective...
Smeghead:
Lets face it you've got to be what...... 35 years old or more to have been alive and old enough to have played those really early games when they first came out.
Its not a competition, but im glad I was around to experience the thrill as each new 'ground breaking' game hit the arcades
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