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| dmarcum99:
:soapbox: At first glance, it sounds kinda petty to come out and complain about about some arcade buttons. But, since I am clearly an idiot, I'll share my story. :soapbox: I have an ongoing project, a mame cabinet. I found a really good deal on a gutted Maximum Hangtime cab..it had buttons, but no electronics and the artwork was shot. So I did the humane thing and promised to get it in a running condition and redo the artwork to my liking. :soapbox: The game came with iL buttons.....and I'm pretty sure the buttons were original so we're talking 14 years old. A couple of them were worn down but most of them had a nice stiff spring and the buttons with cherry switches had the crisp clicking sound. But...they were orange, and red...colors I wasn't going to use on my build. Now it's time for me to order buttons.... I heard people say "Get the iL buttons or you'll regret it." So I set out on my journey to re-skin the cab and make it presentable. I couldn't find any people selling the iL's but Modchipman. HA!!! what a mess that turned out to be. A month later and I had to get Paypal to refund my money for non-shipment/non-contact. (don't get me started on that mess!! I should have known better) :soapbox: So, I order the Happ buttons from a more reputable retailer...and they show up in a week. I pull out the bag of buttons....grab one and immediately they feel lighter. Hmmm....I go ahead and install the buttons and I hate them!!! OMG I hate them!! They have some wimpy little spring in them that will almost bounce if you hit the buttons hard enough. The e-switches...they're OK, but they do have a slight different sound when they engage. BUT the spring and the play (slop) in the buttons are inexcuseable. I wish I had enough springs from my old buttons so I could do a transplant. For grins, I replaced the spring from the older iL button in the new Happ. button and it made a world of difference, but there is still slop in the button. It's almost like the plunger isn't wide enough for the body. :soapbox: So there's my rant...stay away from Modchip man and stay away from the new Happ concaves unless you like wilted lettuce for buttons. Maybe I'll look-up ponyboy to see if he has iL buttons. |
| mwong168:
The original buttons that came with your cabinet, what direction were the micro switches? Vertical like these HAPP Ultimate Push buttons or Horizontal like these HAPP Push buttons I've used the second one on many projects and managed to source out some iL buttons and they are marginally better compared to the HAPP ones, now if you want to compare HAPP vs iL sticks that is another story. I can say this without bias because on my 4 player showcase the two outside players (P1+P4) use HAPP and two inside players (P2+P3) use iL. I will say the HAPP Ultimates feel really nice because my good buddy restored his SFII CE cabinet and ordered the same parts as he took out of his machine the way he bought it. I was wondering how come his buttons felt a bit stiffer and a bit of a stiffer kick back when you let go and this is why. |
| Ginsu Victim:
Funny, I love the Happs and hate the ILs. Go figure. |
| dmarcum99:
All of my old cab buttons were iL horizontal buttons except one...I had a Happ Ultimate vertical button. It felt very similar to the iL button. The top of the plunger was higher than the iL's, but it wasn't noticeable. Well, I was able to reach a happy compromise. I still dislike the Happ buttons, but in an effort to save money I'll make lemonade out of my lemons. Last night I tinkered with the Happs. I removed the springs from the new Happs and I stretched the coils & elongated each spring by an extra inch. This gave a firmer response with button pressing. They feel much better now. However, the slop around the plunger can't be fixed. There is still too much slop between the plunger and the barrel. There is about a 3/64" gap around the plunger and barrel fitting. There is virtually no gap on the iL buttons...to the point I see friction marks on the sides of the plunger. On the Happs, you can actually wiggle the plunger around and it feels a bit off for me. There are other differences compared to the original iL's but none that are really noteworthy. |
| Jefferson:
I like seeing this talked about... I too made a new CP with buttons from Tornado Terry's (RIP) and they just dont feel as HARD as the orig buttons on my cab. I can feel the springs buzzing the buttons sometime and theres a tiny bit of wiggle in the plunger (side by side as well as a tiny gap between the plunger foot and the microswitch) P3's red buttons feel firm as hell, maybe a different mold or something, but P1 and 2 are a little loosey goosey. I'll try stretching the springs though! maybe switch in some cherry's I have lying around. |
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