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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: shmokes on March 24, 2010, 01:28:47 am ---
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on March 22, 2010, 11:27:57 pm --- working for someone else is a choice

It is 10 years later and I am the boss.

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Not everybody has any skills suitable for this, or the intelligence or wherewithal to run a business even if they did have a skill that could be exploited that way.  Have a little empathy.  You do the best with what you got.  You can't just get tired one day of not being a billionaire and up and go out and do what Bill Gates did.  Different people have different capabilities, opportunities, and lucky breaks.

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I completely disagree -- virtually anything that you do working for somebody else, you can do working for yourself (I'm not going to go all Tony Robbins on you, but read some Tom Peters). Working for someone else is always a choice. You could choose not to work at all. Once you get beyond the "yah, that's not a real choice" and see that it is, in fact, a choice, albeit unpalatable, then you can start to see the actual choices you make in your life and start taking a more active role in them.

Working for yourself doesn't have to be framed or look like a typical business, large or small. Hell, if you are working on contract, you pretty much are working for yourself, you just need to reframe your thinking to recognize that and capitalize on it (are there changes that you can make in your contract that would make it easier for you without costing the client anything ?).

I do have empathy, otherwise I would just say "quit 'yer whining ... you made your bed". I am not some whiny elitist -- I make less money now than I did a decade ago.

Have a little faith.

Have a little imagination.

And, yeah, do the best with what you got ... just *do* something.

Take some stock in yourself and realize what you actually have got and think about what you want to do. Then, do something about making things happen.

Don't just let life happen to you ... get busy making those other plans.

People are capable of so much more than they realize -- I know of this one excon who was in a band for a while and was going nowhere in life. Last year he took most of the year off, except for starting up a new hobby business, and still made more than I did. Now, he would go all Tony Robbins on you, but it seemed to work out fine for him.

Lucky breaks are just opportunities that people positioned themselves to capitalize on.

Vanguard:
While I agree with some of this, I have to argue that working as a contractor isn't working for yourself.   You're a rented employee.   Your employment still is tied to the whims of some corporate entity.   In my industry contractors are the people they hire to try to fill the gaps when work outpaces salaried employees.   Contractors are look at as a easy resource to exploit.

Also, there are many jobs that you do for an employer that you couldn't do on your own.   I design graphics processors.   There are only a handful of companies I can work for.   Starting my own company doing this is just not possible.  #1 all the talent to do so exists at those handful of companies.   I couldn't pool the people to start a company.   Assuming I could, it would take hundreds of millions of dollars to even make an attempt.   There are a number of enterprises where the cost of entry is just too high to even consider.   Venture capital won't even touch you because of the cost to play and the competition you'll be facing off against.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Vanguard on March 24, 2010, 09:07:09 am ---While I agree with some of this, I have to argue that working as a contractor isn't working for yourself.   You're a rented employee.   Your employment still is tied to the whims of some corporate entity.   In my industry contractors are the people they hire to try to fill the gaps when work outpaces salaried employees.   Contractors are look at as a easy resource to exploit.

Also, there are many jobs that you do for an employer that you couldn't do on your own.   I design graphics processors.   There are only a handful of companies I can work for.   Starting my own company doing this is just not possible.  #1 all the talent to do so exists at those handful of companies.   I couldn't pool the people to start a company.   Assuming I could, it would take hundreds of millions of dollars to even make an attempt.   There are a number of enterprises where the cost of entry is just too high to even consider.   Venture capital won't even touch you because of the cost to play and the competition you'll be facing off against.

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I get what you are saying, BUT the difference is that, as a contractor, you don't need to sign on as an indentured servant. You can restructure the arrangement so that it works for both parties and even improves things for both parties. People just don't.

The majority of our senior staff are all contractors. The only two members of the senior staff who are full time are me and my business partner (who, not coincidentally, is the same boss from my prior jobs). They are all free, and encouraged, to contract out to other parties, especially clients. It makes our offering more valuable, decreases our costs, increases their incomes and makes things better for our clients.

Stop thinking of working for yourself as "starting my own company". You don't need to replicate your employer to work for yourself ... in fact, you probably wouldn't even want to.

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: daywane on March 22, 2010, 06:16:56 pm ---I lost my cool today.
I knew it was coming soon. I had just plain had enough!
Boss smart mouth, mandatory over time since (over 6 month)10 to 12 hrs a day and Saturdays.

I was working, and up came my boss and he started in on me. SNAP!
I lost it. I just plainly told him in a very calm voice.
just eather shoot me like the piece of  :censored: I am.
write my  :censored: up
give me 3 days on the street
or Fire me
or get the  :censored: away from me. And leave me the  :censored: alone.
he did the last one.
ever get to where you just do not care any more?

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You are an idiot.

And the worse part is, you already know that.  ::)

daywane:
why do you say that?
I have had nothing but good feelings since then.
Boss know knows I really am fed up.

Yes I did chose to work there. ( 9 years ago)
since then we have gone through 4 presidents ,  each time it goes from bad to worse.
When I took the job , over time was voluntary. now I am mandatory 10 to 12 hrs a day Monday - Friday 8 hours Sat and Sun

This has been going on for many months

It was Management bad decision to get rid of 3rd shift , I now realise there thinking.

stretch............... the other 2 shift into over time and not have the the benefits and tax burden.

same amount of parts if not more at the worker's expense.

I have to much time and effort involved to just up and quit with out a fight.
My Factory is Japanese Comp. The new set of bosses think there still in Japan.

I have no problem with a 40 hr work week or some over time. but 56 to 64 hrs every week for months on end ?
we can not use our sick time any more, that counts against our attendance.
if you get  above 1.3 % you get a verbal, 2% right up

not fair when most of the factory is still at 40hrs a week.

It is not fair to my family or my self .
short term I can deal with. This is well past short term and there is no plans on fixing it,

I was in the back of my head wishing to be fired.

also vacation time must be put 1 month in advance and if eather of the 3 other guys has it planed then to bad.
Chris and my self on 1st shift
Steve and Mike on 2ND shift

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