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Re: I am now a blackbelt!
northerngames:
So in all the years of boxing and mma how come nobody does this fajin and just knock everyone out in 1 strike make their buck and go home the champ 10 second's later.
I mean it is mma from japan brazil russia usa tailand china pretty much everywhere with some of the best real fighter's in the world and I never heard of any of them having this one hit wonder punch so where are these fajin fighter's coming from again and who do they fight for real becuase a demo of something like that just don't get it lol.
Closest guy to one hit wonders was tyson in his prime and I dont't recall any 3" or 6" punch's he squated down low and came up with a cross upper cut type deal and I doubt he even heard of fajin but other then him who was knocking heavy weights out in less then 30 second's or on there first blow in the majority or their real ring or street fight's?
kimbo sometimes's but he don't know fajin nor heard of it either I dont believe :afro:
I do respect all art forms but I am lost on where the proof is and why it is not applied to any real time fights around the world.
I never heard in any headline's man dies becuase fighter accidently slipped him the ol 3" fajin punch and his heart exploded.
the way your talking glove's would not even matter in your case becuase your punch is so fast and powerfull they never have time to compress and I just don't understand where this logic is coming from.
and yes I understand that your not going to get much out of a 3" punch wearing a boxing glove :dizzy:
Vanguard:
Forget all this analysis of Xiaou2's Jedi powers.
Ask yourself, who really expects to defend themselves these days with any martial art?
In today's society, if someone wants to do you harm and take your belongings, it's likely you will be dead before you're even aware of the persons intent. You'd never even be given the opportunity to whip out your 1" punch or your miyag magic.
First, any criminal is going to prey on the weakest and most defenseless looking person they can find. They aren't going to pick the guy who looks like he works out. They are going to go after grandma or grandpa.
Second, if they are going to go after someone who isn't the weakest, then they are going to bring deadly force (gun). They aren't going to give you a chance to defend yourself. Like I said, you'll be dead before you even see them or at least shortly after. Even if they just hold you at gun point, they aren't going to get within reach of you and likely if you try to make a move they will shoot you.
Look at the recent Pentagon shooting. A shooter approached 2 ARMED officers and shot them. These are people trained in defending themselves and they still could not react in time to disable the shooter before being shot themselves. Now imagine if those 2 officers were standing there in their karate pajamas and had only their 1" punch to protect them. Not only would they both be dead right now, many more people would as well because the shooter would have just moved on to the next victim. One of the officers even said he knew when they guy walked up that something bad was about to happen. And still, he couldn't react fast enough.
Seriously, other than mind/body exercises / hobby, does anyone really think they are learning self defense with martial arts?
saint:
Yes, I completely believe I am learning to defend myself. I poll most of the upper belts I work with and ask them if they've ever had to use it. Most have not, but a decent percentage have. Examples:
- One of my sensei's (strong looking guy) was attacked from behind by 2 thugs. He turned around and cleaned their clock bad enough they were still there when the police arrived. His injuries were minor.
- One of my classmates is a security guard (the no-gun type). An irate customer of the car dealership he works at attacked him. He put an arm lock on him and held him down until the police arrived.
- My JuJitsu sensei was an English teacher. Somewhat petite lady. Two football players (seniors in high school, big guys) started fighting each other with the intent of doing each other serious harm. She got behind one and put a choke hold on him, and put her foot in the belly of the second. Both of them were out of the fight in a few seconds.
- I personally was in a situation when a white belt. Short story is I got between a big guy and one of my family members and told the big guy to back off. I was able to talk him down, but I was prepared to use what few things I knew at the time to stop him from hurting my family member. All testosterone and fists, no deadly weapons or planned assaults.
We train on gun and knife defense. I have techniques I will use should I ever need to. The first technique we're taught is that if we're faced with a gun/knife, we should give them whatever the hell they want and run away as soon as possible. However, if we believe that the gun/knife is going to be used rather than just waved around, we have techniques and training that will come to play. Rather than just sit there and let the person kill me or a loved one, we'll take action. I'd guess I have somewhere between a 30-60% chance of successfully taking the gun/knife away (I am not yet very good at the techniques by any means) depending on circumstances.
You also discount things like purse snatching, bar fights, people getting out of hand at sporting events, ... etc.
I couldn't disagree with you more. I guarantee you likely every single person in every martial arts class I take hopes not to have to use their skills to defend themselves, but believes it is a possibility.
--- Quote from: Vanguard on March 10, 2010, 09:04:33 am ---Forget all this analysis of Xiaou2's Jedi powers.
Ask yourself, who really expects to defend themselves these days with any martial art?
In today's society, if someone wants to do you harm and take your belongings, it's likely you will be dead before you're even aware of the persons intent. You'd never even be given the opportunity to whip out your 1" punch or your miyag magic.
First, any criminal is going to prey on the weakest and most defenseless looking person they can find. They aren't going to pick the guy who looks like he works out. They are going to go after grandma or grandpa.
Second, if they are going to go after someone who isn't the weakest, then they are going to bring deadly force (gun). They aren't going to give you a chance to defend yourself. Like I said, you'll be dead before you even see them or at least shortly after. Even if they just hold you at gun point, they aren't going to get within reach of you and likely if you try to make a move they will shoot you.
Look at the recent Pentagon shooting. A shooter approached 2 ARMED officers and shot them. These are people trained in defending themselves and they still could not react in time to disable the shooter before being shot themselves. Now imagine if those 2 officers were standing there in their karate pajamas and had only their 1" punch to protect them. Not only would they both be dead right now, many more people would as well because the shooter would have just moved on to the next victim. One of the officers even said he knew when they guy walked up that something bad was about to happen. And still, he couldn't react fast enough.
Seriously, other than mind/body exercises / hobby, does anyone really think they are learning self defense with martial arts?
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Vanguard:
--- Quote from: saint on March 10, 2010, 10:03:51 am ---Yes, I completely believe I am learning to defend myself. I poll most of the upper belts I work with and ask them if they've ever had to use it. Most have not, but a decent percentage have. Examples:
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I'm specifically addressing lethal force since Xiaou2 is making claims that he can kill with a punch. What situation would arise where that would actually be practical. I can think of none expect perhaps being attacked by a fellow ninja. Anyone else is going to kill you from ten feet away.
I seriously doubt that anyone who intends on killing you with a gun is going to give you any chance whatsover to use your skills. Again, look at the Pentagon shooting. This was gun vs. gun and highly trained individuals could do nothing to protect themselves.
--- Quote from: saint on March 10, 2010, 10:03:51 am ---You also discount things like purse snatching, bar fights, people getting out of hand at sporting events, ... etc.
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No, I'm not discounting those. I'm not really even addressing those types of issues. But since you bring them up, the rational person would just stay out situations like that and let security deal with it or let the robber have the purse. Likely you are just going to interject yourself into something that is going to get you hurt or you're going to hurt someone else and then find yourself on the receiving end of a lawsuit.
Take Martial Arts to boost confidence, stamina, for fun, whatever. Take a firearms class and get a concealed weapons permit if you want to defend yourself.
shateredsoul:
--- Quote from: Vanguard on March 10, 2010, 10:25:52 am ---
Take Martial Arts to boost confidence, stamina, for fun, whatever. Take a firearms class and get a concealed weapons permit if you want to defend yourself.
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We don't need more people carrying guns on the streets... Cops kill enough people as it is. Don't need any paranoid trigger happy pedestrians kill off people as well.
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