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Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.
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 Leave it to a future lawyer to not be able to understand the meaning.

  The difference between a punch and a push, is the amount of energy released in
a certain time unit.   You can for example, create a fast push... but, it will still be a
dull push.

 Many punch like a push.  They strike the target, but not with full body mass
connected "all at once".  Thus, the force is dull and reduced.  It becomes more of a
stream of energy... rather than an instant grenade 'explosion' of power.

 The stream of energy, still carries power.  But not nearly as much power as
it would have been had it been fully concentrated at delivery impact.

 The moment of solid impact is where all the damages take place.   After that moment,
the body is merely accelerated backwards.  Even a split second into impact, the punchers
fist is slowing down to less than half its original speed, as its coming up against the
resistance of the mass of the opposing target...   and as the impact is done, damage
transfered... the body is simply connected to the fist and nothing further is done.

 The corrected description would be:

    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.

 My body at age 23 was 150 lbs.  Have you ever been struck in the head by a
155 lb mass moving at over 50mph?    I assume you, that it would take far less to
knock a person out, let alone take their lives away.   With proper Fajin, a woman
of even 80lbs is far more dangerous than most men 4 times her mass.

 Its very simple, that most fighters can not get anywhere near their full mass into
their strikes.  This is mostly due to a process of fine timings and articulations.  Basically
speaking... its like they are sending a stream of water down a hose to put out a fire...
but the hose is filled with holes, and is leaking out everywhere.  By the time it comes
out, the water pressure is reduced to a fraction of its original pressure.

   

Xiaou2:
A simplified explanation of Fajin, could be something like Bumper Cars.

 When you are colliding with a car, and you want to really spin them around,
at impact you quickly lurch your body mass forwards.   This Adds force to the impact.

 In a typical punch, most people have the person in the car already forwards, and
so at impact, nothing else can be done.   (OR, their person in the car is either loose, or
rigidly stuck in the back seat even as impact takes place.)


shmokes:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on March 06, 2010, 01:01:38 am ---
    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.


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I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: shmokes on March 06, 2010, 01:14:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on March 06, 2010, 01:01:38 am ---
    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.


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I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

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Sure it is... force is dependant upon both mass, and acceleration, or as he put it "unit of time". 

HOWEVER...  the problem he's ignoring is it takes a great deal of energy to get your limbs moving at that speed.  So much energy that you'd have to be the size of a tank to do it properly which negates the whole "80 lbs woman can do it" argument.  Physics works both ways friends, it takes at least as much energy to put an object in motion from a stopped point as it expells when it collides with a stationary object.  While you can certainly make your punch more efficient and therefore have it hit harder by proper form and execution, you can't reach near superhuman levels just by "focus" alone.

The problem with most martial arts is they are very much a science of physics, BUT they are also steeped in thousands of years of religious mumbo-jumbo like "chi" and "focus" and don't forget "force".  But since that is such a small part of it people often deem it to be science as well since everything else they learned so so rooted in the science of motion. 


That being said, the body is quite capable of "super human" feats, but this is more of a glandular thing (adrenaline and what-not).  The physics gets balnaced out with your body being torn up from over use.  And of course your body was always capable of such  feats so it really wasn't super human.  You were just held back by silly little things like pain and slef-preservation.  I'm sure you could rip your own arm off as well, but I wouldn't reccomend it. 

Ever seen Full Metal Alchemist?  All physics questions can be directed towards that show.  It's all about equivelent exchange guys. ;)

danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on March 05, 2010, 10:31:03 pm ---The posts were not to brag.  I dont need anyone elses praise, nor do I seek it.

 The post, is to spread the higher truths of the arts, that many have yet
to discover.

 Fajin is an amazing technology.  One of the most dangerous technologies. The product
of thousands of years worth of martial arts developments in China.

 Anyone with 20 min of research will find plenty of knowledge about it.

 Bruce Lee had somehow learned it, and got it down to a pretty high level of
usage.   You can find quotes from artists who had the pleasure of
getting hit by it.

 There are also plenty of artists who can preform the technique live, should you
be willing enough to take the hit.

 Sadly, there are cons out there, as well as plenty who do not fully understand it,
and perform it incorrectly.

 Fajin cant really be Seen.. just like electric current cant be seen.  It must be felt
to be realized.  You can however spot it by the way the persons body moves.
Looks like a fully body vibrational / shaking.  This shows full body unification - which
means, the entire bodys mass is all connected and acting together at that moment in
time.

 Bruce Lee had managed to learn it.. and often did a demo using it.
Knowing the audience couldnt see Fajin, he mostly did more of a 'push' version
of it...which sent a person flying back into a chair, which then slid back many feet. 
The real version, wont move a person back much, if at all.  If the person moves back,
it means you were unsuccessful in releasing all the energy all at once... and it was more
spread out over larger time units... thus accelerating the person/target backwards.

 There are plenty of people trying to "bury" such technology, as they are fearful if the
masses have this power.

 It would be a shame, if such things were long lost forever merely due to fear.
Its time to spread the real truth of combat.  Rediscover and revive the lost arts.
Combat science is not about violence.  Its meant to stop violence.


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Boxer Rebellion. The ultimate pirates vs ninja show dao n. Guess who won  ;D

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