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Re: I am now a blackbelt!
shmokes:
Also, I'm not saying that any of those other tests are inferior to the LSAT, or will produce substantially different scores. I'm just saying that they are not as relevant to this discussion. For that matter, I may even be wrong about that. Maybe any of them would be just as accessible as the LSAT in terms of prerequisite knowledge. So what?
Xiaou2:
Not sure I want to waste 30+ min doing that, but maybe later.
I recall in my old school days getting called to the principles office...
He thought I was being lazy, because I placed so high on the
reading comprehension section of the tests.
I was never that good in school. Didnt care, slow learner, bad memory...
just barely passed... so I was shocked to hear such a comment.
I was also amazed when I was taking that part of the test, at how
easy it was. I mean, as you said... they outright give you the answer.
I guess when I think about it... I had one other such experience.
Always hated history class. Boring, couldnt remember the dates,
couldnt care less. Nearly failing the class. A substitute comes in..
has some actual passion. Starts asking "Theoretical" style questions
about what the people in that time may have been thinking, and feeling...
And it became interesting. I answered a lot of those kinds of questions
easily and happily.
The guy came to me after class and said I should go into
history. Said I would be good. I told him I was basically failing the class...
but he didnt seem to be phased by it. Was impressed with how I
thought about and reasoned things out. If only I had more permanent
teachers like him, I would have been so much better off today.
In the school I attended, many of the teachers there were just
there for the paycheck. No passion in the fields they were in, and
couldnt teach very well either. Then again... most of school is not meant
to test your thinking (shocking ehh?!)... You simply have to Remember
things, and repeat them back. And people wonder why we need a zillion
warning tags all over things... lol
The written laws are filled with injustices. Defending it at times, is
just about immoral as it gets. The only thing more immoral is probably
the people behind & making of laws. heh
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on March 30, 2010, 04:19:44 pm ---
Not sure I want to waste 30+ min doing that, but maybe later.
--- End quote ---
Just so you know . . . it's 35 min per section, four sections. So you will be wasting 2+ hours. ;D
Buuuuuuuut . . . it really is kind of a fun test, in the same way those online IQ tests are sort of fun or how Sudoku is fun. Each question is a sort of game (except the questions in the reading comprehension section . . . they primarily just test how well you absorb and retain information when you read it). In fact, one of the sections is universally (other than on the test itself) referred to as "Games". That section is a ---smurfette---.
Here's an example (look at the clock . . . you have 7 minutes and 30 seconds to read the set-up and answer all 5 questions):
An amusement park roller coaster includes five cars, numbered 1 through 5 from front to back. Each car accommodates up to two riders, seated side by side. Six people — Tom, Gwen, Laurie, Mark, Paul and Jack — are riding the coaster at the same time.
Laurie is sharing a car.
Mark is not sharing a car and is seated immediately behind an empty car.
Tom is not sharing a car with either Gwen or Paul.
Gwen is riding in either the third or fourth car.
Question 1
Which of the following groups of riders could occupy the second car?
.
(A) Laurie only
(B) Tom and Gwen
(C) Laurie and Mark
(D) Jack and Tom
(E) Jack, Gwen, and Paul
Question 2
If Gwen is riding immediately behind Laurie's car and immediately ahead of Tom's car, all of the following must be true EXCEPT:
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(A) Gwen is riding in the fourth car.
(B) Paul is riding in the third car.
(C) Tom is riding in the fifth car.
(D) Laurie is riding in the third car.
(E) The first car is empty.
Question 3
Which one of the following statements CANNOT be true?
.
(A) Neither Tom nor Gwen is sharing a car with another rider
(B) Neither Mark nor Jack is sharing a car with another rider.
(C) Tom is sharing a car, and Jack is sharing a car.
(D) Gwen is sharing a car, and Paul is sharing a car.
(E) Tom is sharing a car, and Gwen is sharing a car.
Question 4
If Paul is riding in the second car, how many different combinations of riders are possible for the third car?
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(A) one
(B) two
(C) three
(D) four
(E) five
Question 5
Assume that a seventh rider is riding with Jack in the first car, but that all other rules remain unchanged. Which of the following is a complete and accurate list of the riders who might be riding in the fifth car?
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(A) Mark
(B) Gwen, Paul
(C) Tom, Laurie, Paul
(D) Tom, Laurie, Mark
(E) Tom, Paul, Laurie, Mark
Answers:
Question 1: D
Question 2: B
Question 3: A
Question 4: C
Question 5: D
edit: Fixed the time period . . . I gave you one too few minutes
Xiaou2:
Thats nothing like the reading comprehension test I remember. Thats more of
a math / IQ test.
Its not that I couldnt figure it out, I really dont find that kind of monotony
(work) fun. Plus, my mind is more visual and artistic... When I read amusement
cars, I get wrapped up with picturing an actual scene, and what each persons
name listed, might look like.
I did take an IQ test one day to see how I would do. I was kinda surprised
actually, cause I thought I was gona be Gump level. I did decent, tho,
Im not sure how real the test was. Lots of geometric shapes which you had
to be able to find relationships with.
--- Quote ---Ah well, I tested well and I'm a broke, bitter jackass so don't sweat it Xiaou2.
--- End quote ---
This sentence makes little sense man. Your economic and emotional content
do not really reflect level of intellect.
One of my friends is bitter as hell, but I swear has a genius IQ. His attitude
however is what defeats his potential though... and probably will end up
ruining his life.
My uncle is worse... Hes was actually programming computers in ways
they were not designed to operate, back in the day... but instead of ending
up working for Atari/Apple... his Inflexibility, anger, poor attitudes,low
responsibility, and inibility to handle pressure... caused him to quit and
fix bowling machines instead. Hes such a mess, that he cant go a day without
drinking half or maybe a full case of beer, every day. His father, WAS a
genius... but drank himself to death at like age 33. According to the stories,
he got into so many scraps due to his obnoxiousness, that he was lucky to
last that long without getting knifed or shot, in the bars he frequented.
With me, its quite the opposite. I have very little to work with upstairs, but
my attitudes are reasonable, and so in many ways, Ive done much better in life.
At very least, Ive learned how to be 'content', (even though Im a poor and ugly
sob. :P heh ) Which is far more important in life than pure mental brawn.
I can tell you, it wasnt easy. When I was 6, I was so bitter, jealous, mean,
and downright evil. I remember seeing this woman at the local diner, who was
smiling constantly. I hated that. I angerly and cynically spat out "Why do
you smile so much!" She was shocked, and wasnt so happy after that bitter
bolt. I probably didnt really smile happily (for Good reasons) till about 6th grade...
when I finally started to break out of the dark clouds that I had created
around myself.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on March 30, 2010, 10:55:11 pm ---
Thats nothing like the reading comprehension test I remember. Thats more of
a math / IQ test.
Its not that I couldnt figure it out, I really dont find that kind of monotony
(work) fun. Plus, my mind is more visual and artistic... When I read amusement
cars, I get wrapped up with picturing an actual scene, and what each persons
name listed, might look like.
--- End quote ---
That's just an example of one of the three sections of the exam. The funny thing is that that section is visual. In fact the best way to do it is to draw a diagram (the test almost always gives everyone a name starting with a different letter so it's easy to think of them as like G, O, S, T and L or something . . . makes it easier to diagram.
One section is a reading comprehension section that is probably exactly what you expect. You read a passage about some random topic, maybe a story about digging up dinosaur bones or a bit about Picasso's early life. Then there are 6-8 multiple choice questions about what you just read.
The third section is logical reasoning. There are two of these sections (I guess logical reasoning is twice as important as reading comprehension and analytical reasoning). These questions test your ability to apply basic logic. Examples (6 minutes to complete these 5 questions):
Question 1
People should be held accountable for their own behavior, and if holding people accountable for their own behavior entails capital punishment, then so be it. However, no person should be held accountable for behavior over which he or she had no control.
Which of the following is the most logical conclusion of the argument above?
(A) People should not be held accountable for the behavior of other people.
(B) People have control over their own behavior.
(C) People cannot control the behavior of other people.
(D) Behavior that cannot be controlled should not be punished.
(E) People have control over behavior that is subject to capital punishment.
Question 2
As any economist knows, healthy people pose less of an economic burden to society than unhealthy people. Not surprisingly, then, every dollar our state government spends on prenatal care for undocumented immigrants will save taxpayers of this state three dollars.
Which of the following, if true, would best explain why the statistics cited above are not surprising?
(A) The state's taxpayers pay for prenatal care of all immigrants.
(B) Babies born in this state to undocumented immigrant parents are entitled to infant care benefits from the state.
(C) State benefits for prenatal care serve to promote undocumented immigration.
(D) Babies whose mothers did not receive prenatal care are just as healthy as other babies.
(E) Pregnant women who do not receive prenatal care are more likely to experience health problems than other pregnant women.
Question 3
Beautiful beaches attract people, no doubt about it. Just look at this city's beautiful beaches, which are among the most overcrowded beaches in the state.
Which of the following exhibits a pattern of reasoning most similar to the one exhibited in the argument above?
(A) Moose and bear usually appear at the same drinking hole at the same time of day. Therefore, moose and bear must grow thirsty at about the same time.
(B) Children who are scolded severely tend to misbehave more often than other children. Hence if a child is not scolded severely that child is less likely to misbehave.
(C) This software program helps increase the work efficiency of its users. As a result, these users have more free time for other activities.
(D) During warm weather my dog suffers from fleas more so than during cooler weather. Therefore, fleas must thrive in a warm environment.
(E) Pesticides are known to cause anemia in some people. However, most anemic people live in regions where pesticides are not commonly used.
Question 4
Our school district should not spend its money on the new Verbal Advantage reading program. After all, our students get all the reading practice they need by studying history and science.
The argument above depends on which the following assumptions?
(A) The Verbal Advantage program would not help the students learn history and science.
(B) Other reading programs are just as effective but less expensive than the Verbal Advantage program.
(C) The Verbal Advantage program involves only reading practice.
(D) Teaching students history and science is more important than teaching them reading skills.
(E) The students can already read well enough to study history and science.
Question 5
Newspaper publishers earn their profits primarily from advertising revenue, and potential advertisers are more likely to advertise in newspapers with a wide circulation — a large number of subscribers and other readers — than with other newspapers. But the circulation of the newspaper that is currently the most profitable one in this city has steadily declined during the last two years, while the circulation of one of its competitors has steadily increased.
Any of the following, if true, would help explain the apparent discrepancy between the two statements above EXCEPT:
(A) Advertisers generally switch from the most widely circulated newspaper to another one only when the other one becomes the most widely circulated newspaper instead.
(B) Advertising rates charged by the most profitable newspaper in the city are significantly higher than those charged by its competitors.
(C) The most profitable newspaper in the city receives revenue from its subscribers as well from advertisers.
(D) The circulation of the most profitable newspaper in the city is still greater than than of any of its competitors.
(E) The number of newspapers competing viably with the most profitable newspaper in the city has increased during the last two years.
Answers:
Question 1: B
Question 2: E
Question 3: D
Question 4: C
Question 5: E
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