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Re: I am now a blackbelt!
Xiaou2:
We were talking the Best Fighters in the World. And that is my point.
The best fighters are trained to both attack vitals, as well as defend against them.
MMA or pretty much any Sport fighter, does Not have to worry about such attacks,
so can Not be considered anywhere near a "Best Fighter".
Half the things they do in the MMA ring, would get you killed on the real streets...
yet they get away with it.. and then have the audacity to diss traditional arts.
Its a huge joke.
Btw - Im surprised they allowed the toe lock. They dont allow finger breaks...
but hey... these guys cant even block a punch let alone preform captures and
joint destruction.
hypernova:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 ---and not an immediate full mass dump.
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I always love a good dump.
I feel lighter and faster afterwards.
northerngames:
ahh so they do allow finger break's in karate or martail arts tournments then right and if not what and why was that even mentioned as I am sure brock and many others can break finger if it were allowed standing or on the ground.
I know there are more rule's then what I listed as I am not a ufc or mma official but i do know for a fact more rules apply to ground move's then standing up.
jumping over some guy if even possible is not going to win a fight either I would laugh ---my bottom--- off seeing some guy diving and rolling all over the ring or cage like a fish out water or a cat when they get spooked and caught of guard and they do that crazy leap for no reason instead of using traditional footwork and moving around like most fighter's do.
more then likely his oppenent would stand their with his hand's on his hip's wondering what the hell this other guy is doing and to let him know when he's ready to fight.
there's also an old saying that everyone has a plan going into a fight but that all change's soon as you get hit hard.
I have seen alot of modern fighter's get rocked and keep going where I am not to sure about these guys that spend their time jumping around on a mat as training and as bruce once said boards don't hit back. I say neither does mat's or bag's...
danny_galaga:
This is STILL going? Geez.
I don't agree with Xiaou about many things, but in fighting he probably knows his stuff. I accept a lot of what he is saying about fighting, except maybe that baby elephant thing, there is a corresponding story about Johnny Weisemuller gaining his strength by lifting a calf up every day when he was young. He kept going until it was a bull, where he was still able to lift it. Which seems rather unlikely...
I've never actually been in a fight. I think i've missed out on an important part of growing up :-[
I think i found the right room for this argument
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---ahh so they do allow finger break's in karate or martail arts tournments then right and if not what and why was that even mentioned as I am sure brock and many others can break finger if it were allowed standing or on the ground.
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I do NOT support Sport fighting. I do NOT support Tournaments. I DO SUPPORT
realistic Combat Training.
It was brought up, because the UFC/MMA fighters were said to be the
"Best Fighters in the World". Its just one more reason they are Not.
--- Quote ---jumping over some guy if even possible is not going to win a fight either I would laugh ---my bottom--- off seeing some guy diving and rolling all over the ring or cage like a fish out water or a cat when they get spooked and caught of guard and they do that crazy leap for no reason instead of using traditional footwork and moving around like most fighter's do.
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LOL. Man, you are getting your arguments all mixed up. I merely put up
Acrobatics to show that Lee (and others) are capable of extreme abilities.
This Does show that their athleticism is thus superior... which actually Does in fact
lead to them having better control and accuracy in a fight. However, that does
not mean Tony Jaa is going to do well in a real fight. The training is completely
different.
--- Quote ---there's also an old saying that everyone has a plan going into a fight but that all change's soon as you get hit hard.
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Id laugh in that persons face that said that. A True fighter can not go into a
fight with a Plan. A fight is Dynamic. It changes constantly. A good fighter
adapts to every situation as its happening. If you try to make an opponent do
something... or Try to make a certain move work on them, your gona end up
rocked out... counting sheep.
Getting hit does not change One thing. You man up, suffer through it, and
return to good form. Its the inexperienced that duck and cower after getting hit
hard, and fall into poor structural form. This only makes it worse for them.. and
they end up getting hit twice as often.
--- Quote ---I have seen alot of modern fighter's get rocked and keep going where I am not to sure about these guys that spend their time jumping around on a mat as training and as bruce once said boards don't hit back. I say neither does mat's or bag's...
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Umm.. I have no idea what you are arguing about now.
A good artists trains all aspects of fighting. You need just as much time hitting
hard wall-bags as you do live targets. People are not made of jello, and your
hand isnt always going to have a nice soft glove on when something goes down.
You can hit kick a bag and punch a sandbag much harder than a live opponent.
As if you did punch that hard on a training partner... you would need a spare room
to store all the bodies afterwords. Thats why you train light to med. power / speed
on a live opp, and Heavy force on the targets. (and or speed too, depending
on the kind of training you are doing)
As for Jaa, I have not dug deep enough to really confirm his total jump height.
However, watching Ongbak makes one thing this guy probably can do it.
Btw - Thanks danny_galaga.
(and that pic scares me for some reason hehe)
--- Quote ---I've never actually been in a fight. I think i've missed out on an important part of growing up
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You didnt miss much. Its usually some pre high school roll in the dirt. Nobody
really gets that hurt. Its more of an ego bruising event.
However, sparring is probably the closest thing you get to a real combat situation,
and hey, there is always a martial arts class around the corner :) Its not for
everyone... but if you can get past the initial stage where getting hit ceases to
really bother you (takes a while to go from a marshmallow body to "Terminator")...
then the experience is just awesome. There is little that gets your adrenalin
pumping like the challenge and stresses of combat.
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