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The Whole Toyota Debacle.......Your Thoughts.

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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: TOK on March 07, 2010, 05:43:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on March 07, 2010, 01:37:40 pm ---
But I'm rambling....

Long story short........ Toyota Bad!  American Cars Good!

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There are no American cars, only American car companies. All of them build cars in Mexico and Canada. Chevy slaps their name on Daewoo's (Aveo) and most of their mainstream cars use a platform developed by Opal. Google Epsilon and Delta platforms if you want enlightenment.

Toyota and GM share an assembly plant in Freemont CA.
Nissan has a huge factory in Mississippi.

What is more American, a Nissan built by Americans or a Chevy built by $3 per hour Mexicans?

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+1

Between me, my family and my in-laws, we have owned nearly a dozen Ford vehicles ... not a one built in the USA. All the evil jap cars ... built in the USA.

Fordman:

--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on March 09, 2010, 12:19:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fordman on March 04, 2010, 04:06:38 am ---We have the Lexus (fancy Camry) that went out of control for 6 miles at speeds of over 100mph in Tennesee, USA that we all heard about on tv from the owner.

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This happened in SANTEE, CALIFORNIA not Tennesee... I used to live about a mile from the "end of freeway" that those poor folks came down and hit the barrier.

(EDIT: Not sure if you're talking about the same incident.... the situation in Santee ended with a family dying and the driver was a guy who was a Highway Patrolman...)


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Separate incident from the Patrolman and his family. The one in Tennesee is where the lady had one stick one her for 6 miles at speeds of 100mph and then she claims 'God intervened' and stopped the car.

Fordman

Dartful Dodger:

--- Quote from: TOK on March 05, 2010, 10:59:53 am ---Ever hear that thing about the true measure of a company being not how they treat you when things go right, but what they do when things go wrong?

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I agree with pinballjim.  My first car was a Chevy and for most of my life I've owned Chevy's and I haven't had any major problems with them.

I bought a Dodge that goes through bearings like candy.

I'd rather buy a car that doesn't need any major repairs from a company that doesn't care about public relations than a POS from a company that gives me a doughnut and cup of coffee every time I have to bring the car in for repair.

Although the whole government running Chevy scares me, so my next car will be a Ford.  If they don't work out I'll go back to Chevy.

CheffoJeffo:
HONEST QUESTION (really!): Are there readily available stats as to "who builds what car ?" in a format that most of us can understand ?

I am genuinely tired of folks saying "Buy American" (meaning Big 3), thinking it supports American workers, and then having to say "I've owned a shitload of Fords and none of them were built in the USA". My experience is, obviously, anecdotal and there are going to be people who tell you to buy "American" because the workers are unionized and protected (which is an already-polarized statement that can be addressed in P&R), but many of the cars from those brands are actually build in dirty, dirty places like China, Messico or Canuckistan.

To me, supporting local workers, means buying products that are made by local workers.

I could give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- who gets the remaining profits, if any (apologies to all of those who own stock in the Big 3, but there are a lot of people who should apologize to you before I do!)

It would be nice, for a change, to see how many local, or near-neighbour, workers were supported by my purchase of Vehicle A.

Then *I* can add that to my acquisition decision, as opposed to blindly saying "I buy X because it supports Y", without the first freaking clue as to whether it supports anything at all.

I would be really happy if somebody would actually present things honestly instead of people just wrapping themselves in company colours and pretending that they are wearing flags.

 :afro:

Vanguard:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on March 09, 2010, 05:50:19 pm ---To me, supporting local workers, means buying products that are made by local workers.

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Exactly.   Who cares if the profits go to a US company when all they do with those profits is create more jobs in Canada and Mexico?

I've owned 4 Honda's all built in the U.S.   Only one that ever had a major issue (transmission) was replaced free of charge 2 years out of warranty.

Only "American" car I've owned was built in Mexico and was the biggest piece of crap ever made.   Chrysler didn't stand behind the product and their service center broke it worse more often than they fixed it.   The vehicle only had 25,000 miles on it after 7 years.   I'd hate to see what it would have been like if I drove it more.  I dump $3500.00 into the piece of junk just so I could turn around a sell it for $5500.  

Two out of my four Honda's lasted more than 10 years and had over 150,000 miles on them.  Not once did they ever have anything more than a regular service.  My current Honda has 78,000 on it and there is nothing at all wrong with it.   I expect to easily have it for another 5-7 years.   Our family will probably outgrow the need for it before it dies.  The only Honda we had less than 10 years was one that we replaced early due to kids and a need for more room.

I'll stick with my American made Honda's.   Honda has quality, stands behind the product,  employs Americans and they have good coffee, donuts and a loaner vehicle when I drop my car off for an oil change.  

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