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| D_Harris:
--- Quote from: Hoopz on February 22, 2010, 12:33:54 pm --- --- Quote from: Havok on February 22, 2010, 11:55:54 am ---Why the hell would you hack a mouse when you have a MiniPac? You've got a trackball and spinner connection, plus 32 connections for joysticks\buttons? :banghead: Forgot about the Hydrogen controllers - yet another way to interface a spinner and buttons. :banghead: :banghead: --- End quote --- He had another thread a couple of weeks ago and asked about hooking up something to his Mini-pac. u_rebel tried to help there but it was a little ambiguous about what he wanted to do or the suggestions weren't for him. :dunno --- End quote --- That was completely false... That thread was about my idea concerning swapping encoders. There was nothing at all ambiguous about that. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
| ubiquityman:
Are you thinking that you don't want to use any of the wires on the trackball. The ball would just be a moving surface and simply use the optical sensing portion of the hacked mouse to detect ball motion? (ie. like modern trackballs which are essentially inverse optical mice) Seems like that would be an extremely easy hack if your trackball was open on the bottom and the ball itself was optically rough or textured enough for the optical mouse to pick up. A piece of wood to raise the upside-down mouse up high enough and then screw it down onto the wood or silicon it down. <pause> I did just try this with a Logitech MX510 optical mouse and a 3" happ ball. The ball was too smooth for the MX510 mouse to pickup. However, a newer laser mice might be sensitive enough. In the end, I'm guessing it might be cheaper to by the Opti-Wiz. |
| D_Harris:
--- Quote from: ubiquityman on February 22, 2010, 09:28:19 pm ---Are you thinking that you don't want to use any of the wires on the trackball. The ball would just be a moving surface and simply use the optical sensing portion of the hacked mouse to detect ball motion? (ie. like modern trackballs which are essentially inverse optical mice) Seems like that would be an extremely easy hack if your trackball was open on the bottom and the ball itself was optically rough or textured enough for the optical mouse to pick up. A piece of wood to raise the upside-down mouse up high enough and then screw it down onto the wood or silicon it down. <pause> I did just try this with a Logitech MX510 optical mouse and a 3" happ ball. The ball was too smooth for the MX510 mouse to pickup. However, a newer laser mice might be sensitive enough. In the end, I'm guessing it might be cheaper to by the Opti-Wiz. --- End quote --- I haven't given much thought to trackballs, but I wouldn't think you idea could work. In fact I can't see a single optical mouse PCB working with a trackball at all. (I do however have an idea for using a spinner). Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
| ubiquityman:
It will work depending on the track ball. A smooth, white, trackball without any patterns, does not have enough texture for the optical sensor to pick up. Computer trackballs are that way today. The newer one consist of an optical sensor on the bottom and a ball that has a pattern. |
| Havok:
--- Quote from: D_Harris on February 22, 2010, 07:54:47 pm ---(I'm beginning to hate the "Why the hell would you hack a mouse when you have a MiniPac? question). --- End quote --- Perhaps that continued response should tell you something... --- Quote ---If you think it is too difficult then fine. But I'd like to use what I already have. --- End quote --- I believe my response was they're both simple. However, a mouse hack is usually junk, and will not outlast a quality arcade grade interface. --- Quote ---As for the Opti-Wiz. If your trackball or spinner is compatible. And if all the optics of your spinner or trackball are working, then in order for it to be plug and play you would not have to hack the cable. --- End quote --- So you'd hack a mouse, but not a cable to connect to a trackball\mouse? Why the distinction? As far as your ifs - I challenge you to find me a trackball or spinner that is an arcade grade or actual arcade model that is not compatible with the interfaces stated above. --- Quote ---I have several Arkanoid and Midway spinners, as well as a Tornado, and a several Atari trackballs(Mini, Midi, & Maxi). So even though there are no pictures on this site documenting how they are hooked up to any of the existing controllers, I assume they would work, because there is no way I'd add to the cost by buying another just for a controller. --- End quote --- How many trackballs and spinner panels do you plan on making anyways? Please don't tell me this is going to be a frakenpanel. You've already stated you've got multiple interfaces, why go through all the extra hassle for an interface that won't last and may require constant adjustment? --- Quote ---A mouse can be hacked to any of these original arcade trackball or spinners, which I prefer over the third party solutions available now anyway. --- End quote --- True - but will it be durable? Probably not. --- Quote ---And a 4 or 5-button mouse would give me more options than my Tornado spinner and I'd only need to use the included single USB mouse cable. --- End quote --- Same amount of wires - not getting your point here... --- Quote ---The MiniPAC or Hydrogen can be used for the more complicated control panels. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. --- End quote --- So how many panels are we talking about? I have an idea; why don't you clearly and concisely state what your end result will be and we can give you a correct solution, rather than dancing around and pulling bits and pieces from you one tooth at a time... |
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