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Aithos:

edit:  This isn't even worth responding to.  I worded my post poorly and I apologize for that, but none of you actually read what I said either.  I'll take english language for 1000 Alex.

Osirus23:


--- Quote from: Aithos on October 28, 2010, 11:30:09 pm ---edit:  This isn't even worth responding to.  I worded my post poorly and I apologize for that, but none of you actually read what I said either.  I'll take english language for 1000 Alex.

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I read every word of it, but have no desire to read another word of your nonsense ever again.


Aithos:


--- Quote from: Osirus23 on October 29, 2010, 12:09:25 am ---I read every word of it, but have no desire to read another word of your nonsense ever again.

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I'd like to point out I never called anyone stupid, never insulted anyone in any of my posts.  I never called Andy a fraud, I have apologized several times for the poor choice of wording on my posts.  For about the 4th time:  I don't have a problem with the product, with the price, with the functionality or the people who buy them.  I have a problem with the fact it is called the ArcadeVGA 3000, it shouldn't be called that.  Period.  It isn't an ArcadeVGA 3000, it is an ATI Radeon 2600 with some small modification and custom drivers.  The whole point I was trying to make is that the wording should really be changed.  If this was anything but an extremely niche/underground market ATI would have dropped the hammer and pulled his ability to buy from their distributors.  The fact that they are unaware or don't care doesn't make it right.  I couldn't buy a Chevy Cobalt, stick on an intake, reprogram the CPU, double the price and call it an Aithosmobile 2011.  I'd get taken to court the SECOND I started to make money and get in the public eye (assuming anyone was dumb enough to buy from me), cause it is illegal to pass off someone elses product as your own, even if you modify it.  If you think I'm wrong go ask a lawyer.  Now I'm not posting in here again, go ahead and crucify me.

AndyWarne:


--- Quote from: Aithos on October 29, 2010, 01:44:03 am --- If this was anything but an extremely niche/underground market ATI would have dropped the hammer and pulled his ability to buy from their distributors.  The fact that they are unaware or don't care doesn't make it right.  I couldn't buy a Chevy Cobalt, stick on an intake, reprogram the CPU, double the price and call it an Aithosmobile 2011.  I'd get taken to court the SECOND I started to make money and get in the public eye (assuming anyone was dumb enough to buy from me), cause it is illegal to pass off someone elses product as your own, even if you modify it.  If you think I'm wrong go ask a lawyer.  Now I'm not posting in here again, go ahead and crucify me.

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Oh you are sooo wrong.
The ArcadeVGA card has different hardware (although not that different) to allow the pixel clock to go down to the value needed for 240 x 240. It also has a custom BIOS which involved masses of development effort as it has two entirely different sets of video modelines, one set for a PC monitor and one for Arcade monitor.
Now here is the crux of the matter: The ArcadeVGA is FULLY SUPPORTED BY ATI as a custom card. On earlier versions I produced the custom BIOS myself using source code supplied by ATI. On the current version, the BIOS is actually supplied by ATI. It is compiled by them using base code which was jointly developed by myself and ATI.
You might be interested to know I have fixed bugs in ATIs BIOS for them, which have been implemented in their standard BIOS code.
I presume you are not going to believe this so PM me and I will send evidence if you want to see. I can send you some snippets of BIOS source code and also correspondence with ATI, but of course I cant send the whole code as I signed all manner of Non Disclosure Agreements with ATI.
I also have many of ATIs internal software tools, all supplied under NDA, and the hardware reference designs from which the card is custom manufactured for us.

The fact is, the ArcadeVGA card has required masses of development time and also consumes huge amounts of support time, and I also support drivers for 4 OSes.

I have many times thought about dropping the product as it is only marginally commercially viable. The only reason its still there is I am prepared to answer support emails at all hours of the evening and not allocate this time as a cost.

I might as well state now that I think the ArcadeVGA has a limited future as once the existing ATI chipsets go end of life I dont think it will be viable to re-develop everything on future chipsets.

Also, what is wrong with the name ArcadeVGA 3000? On our site we even specify the ATI chip which is used so we are not trying to mislead or hide anything.

Malenko:


--- Quote from: Aithos on October 29, 2010, 01:44:03 am --- I couldn't buy a Chevy Cobalt, stick on an intake, reprogram the CPU, double the price and call it an Aithosmobile 2011.  I'd get taken to court the SECOND I started to make money and get in the public eye (assuming anyone was dumb enough to buy from me), cause it is illegal to pass off someone elses product as your own, even if you modify it.  If you think I'm wrong go ask a lawyer.  Now I'm not posting in here again, go ahead and crucify me.

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I think youre wrong. Ever heard of RUF?  its the best analogy to what Andy does that I can think of. He cant resell the card as an ATI Radeon 2600 because its not just a Radeon 2600, it modified into an ArcadeVGA3000


Crucifiction and correction arent the same thing. You have your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it seems to be based on what you think is fact and what actually is fact

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